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[Let me know if this should be in Secret Sessions instead.  I think it should be ok though.]

PH's Flip Flop Plop is a card control on p59 of AOA1.

Bill Malone uses something similar in "I don't even have a pocket!" (his rendition of the ACR), but I'm trying to learn the PH version.

It's based on the sleight used in the standard three card monte game. 

I'm really having trouble understanding how to do this (even after watching Bill Malone explain it).  At one point, you're holding two packets in your right hand and you're supposed to throw the top one onto the cards in your left hand.  PH says on the bottom left of p60:

"The right hand moves downward toward the left hand, a distance of about four inches.  Simultaneously the right first finger releases the upper packet and allows it to be thrown to the left hand... The [right] first finger just makes sure that the upper packet clears the lower one and doesn't get caught on the edges of the upper packet."

Emphasis is mine.  Is anyone's first finger *that* flexible?  I have to move that top packet really far to the left to get even part of it to clear the lower packet.  Getting the whole thing to clear is impossible since both packets are being held by the thumb.

Or maybe I have to combine this with pulling the right hand (along with the lower packet) away to the right really fast?  I think the three card monte people do something like that (at least according to EATCT).

Any tips?
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That does seem confusing. I will attempt to explain how I do it. (Whether or not I am doing it correctly is debatable, but it does the job.)

RH picks up deck from LH in Biddle Grip.
Right index finger lifts about 1/3 of the deck, right middle finger lifts next 1/3; right ring finger holds lower 1/3.
With downward motion right middle finger releases its 1/3 so that it clears the bottom 1/3 and lands in LH palm.
RH raises slightly then lowers again as RH ring finger releases bottom third.
RH again raises slightly, then lowers as original top stock is "plopped" onto LH cards.

There's a knack to clearing the bottom stock on the first toss that comes with practice.

Hope this is of at least some help.

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If you are doing a return the card to the deck thing, it helps to have the card returned about halfway into the deck. 
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I used to sometimes use this after first reading it (might have been in Supermagic initially). It is a knack. Try bending the knuckles a fraction, which tightens the grip on the lower part of the packet but creates more space around the cards above the break..if that makes sense with cards in hand. 

I remember friend Jack Jansen once telling me I was the only magician he'd actually seen doing it, so I'm assuming many magicians don't. 
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Thanks for all the replies.  Paul, I'm not sure what you mean by "bending the knuckles a fraction..."  You do this when you're holding two packets in the RH and you're about to throw the top one down?  Where exactly are you bending?

To all of you who can do this: Somehow or another the top packet has to clear the bottom packet.  It seems to me that there are two ways to accomplish this:
1. The right index finger pushes that top packet *really* far to the left.
2. The right hand releases the top packet and then pulls away to the right really fast so that the top packet has a clear path to the LH.
3. The right hand throws the top packet to the left slightly so that it doesn't hit the bottom RH packet.

As I stated in my original post, I'm not sure #1 is even possible if used on its own.  So are you guys combining 1 & 2?
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I think it's described well in PH's first book by Jerry Mentzer, with the amazing title, "The Magic of Paul Harris."
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Ok, so a year and a half later, I think I finally have it figured out!  I think I should post this in the session room though.

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Awesome.
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Recently saw Adam Wilbur lecture and perform. He uses the control a lot. When I asked him, "Is that Paul Harris's Flip, Flop, Plop control you're using?" He grinned and nodded, seemingly pleased that someone else recognized it. Then he went on to explain how undervalued and underused he thought it was. So you are in good company using it.

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I have used this simple yet effective control since Harris published it many years ago. I'm surprised how many others seem to be using it, much less aware of it!

I would recommend this move to anyone who wants a very natural and casual handling for a control. It just doesn't draw any suspicion whatsoever.

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I would recommend this move to anyone who wants a very natural and casual handling for a control. It just doesn't draw any suspicion whatsoever.


Right you are, Ken! As Adam Wilbur (as noted above) executes the control he says, "Watch close. If I were going to do anything funny this is when it would happen." 

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As Adam Wilbur (as noted above) executes the control he says, "Watch close. If I were going to do anything funny this is when it would happen." 

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This makes me smile big. 😁

This statement is the inverse of most misdirection. It's just that instead of "Quick, look over there!", it's "Quick, look right here in my hands!".


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