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Michaelblue

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I just watched the Tom Stone episode on Penn and Teller Fool Us. Apparently he did not fool them, but I think he got treated unfairly.
After he did the trick, Penn talked, but he had to get a ruling from the judges as to whether he actually fooled them. Which means, it seems to me, he fooled them.

Unless I am not getting it, the show  is about whether or not they were fooled by and act. If they have to go to the judges, it seems to me like they were fooled. The judges had to talk to Allison Hannigan about it and it was ruled that he did not fool them.
I dont get it. I think he got ripped off.

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The judges know how the effect is done because the Magician’s have to let them know.

Penn and Teller guess the method trying to describe it in their quasi-coded way. Sometimes P&T get it and the magician doesn’t get their code, or think that a minute detail that they missed means they fooled them or visa-versa and it goes to the judges for the final decision.

Sometimes it goes in favor of the magician, other times P&T get the nod.
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So Penn wasnt sure he was saying it right, but the judges  knew and that was that. I get it. Thanks Evil.












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I just watched the episode and like Penn said, they are mic’d so that the judges can hear what they say as they try to figure out the method, but due to the complexities of the timing elements of the trick, and the nature of drawer boxes they couldn’t give an on-air explanation without revealing Tom Stone’s methodology - which they were not willing to do. So they explained the judging mic and asked for a ruling from the judges. And from Penn’s body language he clearly wasn’t sure if they got it or not. He thought they did, but would bet his life on it.

The judges ruled and Tom Stone was okay with it.
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But usually if they have to explain something to the magician and they dont want to reveal anything, Teller goes on stage to whisper to him/her.  It all seemed odd to me. But I guess they are under no obligation to explain it to me.
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The problem usually occurs when the magician has English as a second language. It may be difficult for them to understand "the code".
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I think EVILDAN's analysis is correct.

Also, Tom Stone probably has near native level fluency in English. But he felt that maybe they had not really gotten at some important features of his method. But, as EVILDAN pointed out, the judges, who have been shown the method, heard P&T's analysis and ended up ruling against Tom. I think it was fair.

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Yeah, i just didnt understand. One thing is for sure--he fooled me bad!
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