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JenniferG

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I didn't see any photos like the following spread I just snapped with camera.  I made it to illustrate to friend that the stack has no beginning nor end.  It's circular and mathematical in nature -- unlike memorized deck (memdeck).

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The photo from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si_Stebbins_stack is close but it's really only ~330 degrees or so... come to think of it, outside of /r/cardistry where people like showing off their 360 fans and Stebbins is a popular choice, I can't say I've seen this photo in a book or anywhere else either.
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There is no reason why Si Stebbins cannot also be memorized.  Check out Steven Youell's work on The Hacker Stack.  Some might like to know a little history of the original system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si_Stebbins_stack

I find it interesting that the originator, William Coffrin, says he first performed using the stack to Vaudeville audiences around 1898 /'89 in St. Louis, MO at the Columbia theater.  Same theater that Harry Houdini performed his famous milk can escape at in the early 20th century.  I used to go to that theater as a child after it had been converted to a movie house.  We used to buy "cherry Cokes", prepared by hand by adding cherry syrup to regular Coca Cola.  Way before it was available in stores.  They were the bomb, never since equaled in my opinion.

By the way, it is claimed that what is known as Si Stebbins order actually goes back to the 1500's in some form.  
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Years ago before dinosaurs were born I bought a Magic Locator from Ellisdons of High Holborn, London. It wasn't a photograph, rather a very nice printed illustration. It was a sort-of wheel, with a piece of card attached. When the wheel was turned, the card and its number/location in the pack lined up.

The set-up was Stebbins.
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I remember Gracie Morgan was telling us that Si Stebbins was her go-to memorized deck for performances at the Magic Castle!
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This is my kind of card stack!

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JenniferG

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Thats true, you can cut a rubber band at some point in the circle and then there is a beginning and end.  And then call one end card #1 and last one card #52 and memorize every card in that order as a memdeck.  That's why I like Redford though..sequence of OHS runs and you make the stack look a lot more random and less like Stebbins (then memorize that).. then do same sequence of OHS runs to get back to Si Stebbens if you want for a routine which requires a circular stack.
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On the other hand, people who use Si Stebbens as a memdeck (by choosing a start and end point), might have a good argument:  "I never have anyone ever notice a pattern and I don't have to bother with a sequence of OHS to go in and out of my memdeck; I'm already in it".
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On the other hand, people who use Si Stebbens as a memdeck (by choosing a start and end point), might have a good argument:  "I never have anyone ever notice a pattern and I don't have to bother with a sequence of OHS to go in and out of my memdeck; I'm already in it".


And for those that think the red/black pattern is too noticeable, then there is a way to address that by using Si Stebbins Pro.
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I've never even heard of "Si Stebbens Pro" until now.  Have no idea what it is 😋. Is it something I can get in and out of easily with Si Stebbens?  **Snort**
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I've never even heard of "Si Stebbens Pro" until now.  Have no idea what it is 😋. Is it something I can get in and out of easily with Si Stebbens?  **Snort**


No, it is a system which has its roots in Stebbins, but passes inspection better. There's still the same numerical pattern, but the suits are not R/B every other card. The are clumps of same colors, 2 and 3 respectively.
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Can it be gotten into by shuffling?  I love how Si Stebbens can be gotten into so easily with a sequence of OHS runs and 2 faros.
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Can it be gotten into by shuffling?  I love how Si Stebbens can be gotten into so easily with a sequence of OHS runs and 2 faros.


No, but that doesn't really limit it IMO. I get the advantages of being able to shuffle into stacks, but To me it isn't a huge factor. YMMV.
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