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Craig Logan

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Hello all, 

I am currently looking into center tears that use a Post it note. I think I have stumbled across a useful addition to this move, but wanted to do some research to make sure it is helpful to the magic community. 

I am familiar with Barrie Richardson's, but I wondered what other ones were floating around the world. 

I may make a quick video demonstrating as well.

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Craig


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I for one, would LOVE to see the video if you decide to share. I have been trying to read up on this subject lately but not specifically for post-its (which I recently bought a HUGE brick of, for another mentalism project I am tinkering with).

Anything you want to share would be very helpful for other members as well, I am sure. (of course that remark may be a bit biased in my own direction haha) 
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Glad to see there's interest. If I get a chance this weekend, I'll make a video of the tear. When I stumbled across, I got a little excited so I'm hoping it's a worthwhile endeavor. 
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I've messed with the center tear a bit, but always felt self-conscious about the seeming lack of motivation of having someone write something down, only to tear it up.

I'd love to see your video and hear your thoughts on how you justify the procedure.

By the way...the one that I had worked on was on Mind Mysteries Volume 1.

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I'm not going to lie, I worried about justification for quite some time and never performed a center tear for that reason. But, I started to realize that in performances I'd seen for center tears, the performers did not justify or even mention the action. They just tore it up because it wasn't needed anymore.

When I have used any justification, I tell them they are writing it down to show someone else and keep us both honest. Once it's been shared, we don't need it anymore. I then "dispose of the evidence." 

I will say, there are great "theatrical" justifications for the tear, but honestly it seems to be much ado about nothing. I have never been asked, "why did you tear the paper up?"

As to my personal tear, I'll try and get a video up over in "The Sessions" hopefully before too long. 

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Craig

 


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Thanks Craig. I can tend to over think things. Maybe I just need to try it sometime and see.

I look forward to seeing your video in the Session Room.

Good night,

Rudy

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Hey Craig, another one floating around the world is Julian Moore's Centre Tear Post It. He offers it as a freebie if you sign up for his mailing list here:

http://thecoldreadingcompany.co.uk/coldreading/freeaudiobooks/newsletter

Best of luck with your research!

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Al Koran's is poetry in motion. Barrie Richardson's techniques are sublime.
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Hey Craig, another one floating around the world is Julian Moore's Centre Tear Post It. He offers it as a freebie if you sign up for his mailing list here:

http://thecoldreadingcompany.co.uk/coldreading/freeaudiobooks/newsletter

Best of luck with your research!

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Thanks Alan! I just signed up and got the free stuff. I'll take a look.

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Thank you Alan, His method does have some similarities, but mine appears to be different enough. Thanks for the heads up. ..

Magicfish, I tend to say that about all of Barrie's work.

 

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Craig
 


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Magicians worry about this justification nonsense far too much. As Harry Lorayne said in one of his books, "Magicians worry too much about things a layman doesn't give a darn about". The justification is that YOU ARE DOING A TRICK! That is justification enough.


The main worry about the tear is not the tearing. It is the secretly reading the message part of the equation. I use the Al Koran tear described in "Professional Presentation" and it is easily the best of the lot as it is so casual and fast which is the way it should be. You don't even have to look at your hands. I even see the relief etched on people's faces when I tear up their message. A lot of the other tears that are around are so deliberate and studied that I just don't like them. If you were really tearing up a piece of paper you would just do it without attaching any importance to it.

Now, of course I have to read what is on the paper. I invented my own method which is very daring indeed. But if you are not an audacious performer then there is something lacking in your work and it would be of great benefit for you to work on it. As Murray the escapologist once told me, "Audacity and bluff" is what a good magician needs.


I may explain my method if I am ever in a good mood. Mind you this only happens once a fortnight.

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Hi Mark, I mentioned the Koran technique above. It is my favourite as well. A great technique from a great book.
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This is what I do:

 

First I do the Koran method of the tear but you can use any method you deem suitable. Now the problem is reading it. I consider that the difficult part.

Show all the torn pieces in the left hand. Ask the spectator to select one piece. He does. Now you say that you are going to select one.
Your right hand with the torn piece hidden comes over to the left hand and pretends to pick up one of the pieces. Of course it deposits the secret piece and picks that . Simulation I believe it is called. Now you can dump all the torn pieces on the table so you have both hands free.

Ask the spectator to open his piece right out. You do the same in "sympathy". Of course you open it out with the written part face down on the table so that it cannot be seen. Ask the spectator to draw a symbol of some kind on his piece. It can be a triangle, a crystal ball or some kind of ESP symbol. While he is doing this you have ample time and misdirection to pick up your tabled piece and glance at the writing quite openly. Now take the pen from the spectator and draw a similar symbol in sympathy on the unwritten side. Now ask him to tear up his piece and you do the same thus destroying the evidence. Dump all the torn pieces, both yours and his, on the tabled pile. That way if anyone sifts through the rubble later they will find that the written piece is torn up as it should be.

You now know what is written. You use patter and your own ingenuity to give reasons for all the palaver of both of you selecting a piece and writing nonsensical symbols on them. Something about "minds in sympathy" should do it.

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Of course, there have been tears where the information is obtained DURING the tear. They've been around over 20 years  Perhaps the last one to be published is Doug Dyment's here:

http://www.deceptionary.com/r2-d2.html

Some may even argue why tear a billet when you can get the information without doing so? In the end of course, the method doesn't really matter it's what you do with what you've gained.
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There is a great post it note tear in this book: https://www.alakazam.co.uk/product-FUNdamentalism-Book-by-Kieron-Kirkland.html

One of the interesting things is that the writing is on the back of the note which is then folded so the note sticks together with the writing on the inside. 

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