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So i’ve been learning a certain effect. And for that effect to work you need to have done a faro shuffle a out jog one of the halves. After that you need to do a pressure fan but I have no idea how. Some of you may know this effect but please I need some tips cause I really cannot get it to work.
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So i’ve been learning a certain effect. And for that effect to work you need to have done a faro shuffle a out jog one of the halves. After that you need to do a pressure fan but I have no idea how. Some of you may know this effect but please I need some tips cause I really cannot get it to work.


Does it NEED to be a pressure fan?  Will a thumb or drag fan suffice?

Unless you have a really big outjog, the subsequent squeezing of the pack that occurs during a pressure fan will cause the cards to coalesce, losing your offset.  I suppose this is what you found out.  

And having a big outjog is going to be hard to disguise.
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Well the book says to perform a pressure fan but i do not know if other fans work. If you want to know what effect i’m talking about it’s Double Exposure
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Vanishing Inc. sells a download video of Asi teaching the trick. If you're having trouble with the description in his book, perhaps that would be helpful to you. 
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I do know that but in my case that will probably not be possible.
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Just looked it up. As I thought, the pressure fan is used to disguise the condition of the deck, and unfortunately I don't think a thumb or finger fan will, uh, do the trick. At least it wouldn't for me. I can't do a consistent pressure fan, so learning this trick would either require that I learn to, or move to another trick. FWWI, Asi does cite a source for the pressure fan in the book. 

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That sounds like quite the trick! I can't even begin to figure out how to do a pressure fan, but they always look really cool
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Well the book says to perform a pressure fan but i do not know if other fans work. If you want to know what effect i’m talking about it’s Double Exposure


I just looked at a performance video of the trick.  The cards are faro shuffled and then they look to be 'canted', not outjogged.  (see comments in post #10 below) A canted pack can be pressure fanned, it just takes a light touch.  

When I first learned to pressure fan, I was shown two different methods.  They are similar, but there is a subtle, but important difference.

Try bending the cards downward and then rotating your hand as you move it in a semi-circular manner.  I'm assuming the cards begin in your left hand and the right hand approaches from the top.  Just push down with the right fingers, bowing the cards.  They you sort of 'smear' them to the right, in an arc.

This is different from springing the cards, which is similar, but a more forceful move.

I hope that helps.  Hard to describe, easier to demonstrate.  If I have the chance tonight I'll try to do a short video.
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Thank you very much. I’ll try my best to understand
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Thank you very much. I’ll try my best to understand


I'm going to edit my comments yet again.  I stumbled upon a video from Asi himself and it is clear to me now that it is definitely a side-jogged condition.  Yes, it does begin as a cant, or diagonally-squared condition but he then squares the ends only, leaving it in a conventional side-jogged condition.  From that point, he does a pressure fan.  His technique on the fan is similar to the one I detailed where you bend or bow the cards downward and then "smear" them to the right in an arc.  This contrasts to the "spring" mechanic which happens due to stronger pressure on the cards and the way they come off the fingers.  You should not have a big issue with this given a bit of practice.
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Jump to the 4:19 mark in this video.  Shin shows a thumb faro fan.


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I'm going to edit my comments yet again.  I stumbled upon a video from Asi himself and it is clear to me now that it is definitely a side-jogged condition.  Yes, it does begin as a cant, or diagonally-squared condition but he then squares the ends only, leaving it in a conventional side-jogged condition.  From that point, he does a pressure fan.  His technique on the fan is similar to the one I detailed where you bend or bow the cards downward and then "smear" them to the right in an arc.  This contrasts to the "spring" mechanic which happens due to stronger pressure on the cards and the way they come off the fingers.  You should not have a big issue with this given a bit of practice.


I’ll probably have to first perceft my faro fan. Then I will see if there is any progress but anyways thanks for the tips!
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Password: PF 1



Password: PF 2


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The 1st is less pressure, more of a smear. The 2nd is more of a squeeze and spring.
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