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RayJ

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Hello fellow magic aficionados!  I am moved to post about something that really hit home with me this week.

We all have opinions about exposing magic on the internet.  There are those who see the dismantling of our art, trick-by-trick and sleight-by-sleight.  Some have seen no tangible impact but there is one fact that cannot be denied.  

Creators are being ripped off.  There is no denying that.  Anyone with a camera can video something you have worked on for years, decades even, and post it with impunity.

If you see it and post a comment to tell the individual that what they are doing is wrong, you are attacked by the sycophants that follow them.

Those that attack are not really magicians.  Certainly they are not members of our community.  

For example.  I looked at one video just to see how many hits it had and what the comments were about.  I also wanted to see if anybody had complained that the material had been pirated.  No, no criticism whatsoever.  Just plaudits about how great the video was and what a great guy the performer was.  I also noticed that the video had around 1 million views and that the channel had just shy of a half-million subscribers.

If you think I'm exaggerating, think again.

So what do we do?  

I respectfully suggest that in the future, we, as a community, refrain from posting any videos that promote individuals who post videos of this nature.  

If you believe that the posting of such a video is important for some reason, maybe you should confine it to the Session Room so that the public doesn't see it.

I may have no power to stop what is going on, but I do have the power to speak out and the right to request that we as a community do our level best to minimize the spread if possible.  

Real magicians don't steal from other magicians and affect their livelihood.  If the trend continues, why would creators ever release their work in print or on video?  Think of that the next time you pop in a DVD, watch a download or crack open a magic book.

Thanks for listening.  Might not make much of a difference, but if it stems the tide even a little then it was worth taking the time.

I'm so glad to be an active member on this forum.  Rudy has created a really good thing here and it is home to lots of good people.

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yeah boy --- don't get me started on the 'exposure' thing -- I hate it, and wish there was something we could do... your suggestion is good, but the other 999,999 people that view stuff isn't going to stop.

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RayJ

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True enough Dave.  But giving up trying isn't in my DNA.  If we can influence those that come to this site to not watch those videos then we've done something.  There are folks that make a living off of the internet, getting monetary return for a certain number of hits on their website, subscribers and shares.  I have no issue with that so long as the person is presenting their own material or perhaps performing a standard routine but not tipping the method.  

Thanks for the feedback and for taking the time to read my post!
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When I come across unauthorized exposure, I attempt to contact the originator or owner, providing them with a link and a brief explanation of who I am and why I am sending it. It is they, and only they, who can directly address the pirate. In most cases I receive a reply of thanks, in others I hear nothing, but either way I have done what I can. Calling out the offender in a comment is a waste of effort. If they cared, they wouldn't do it. 

Beyond that, the internet exposure ship has sailed past the ice walls at the edge of the world. I, and at least one other mod that I know of, that being Wayne T, have taken down offending videos, and will doubtless continue to do so. (Others probably have as well, I just have no first-hand knowledge.) If anyone stumbles across one, contact a mod. Or Rudy, or better yet both Rudy and a mod, and we'll promptly attend to the issue. Pirated or unauthorized exposure vids are not welcome here.

Thanks for the rant, Ray. It may not help, but it certainly can't hurt!

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AV, thanks for the reply and for explaining how to report offending videos!
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