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KenTheriot

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I just got Simply Simon this past week and have spent quite a lot of time with "Everybody's Lazy." Simon himself says it's his favorite memdeck routine. but I have a question about it.

Yes, it is an amazing trick that will certainly astonish. But there seems to be an awful lot of dealing cards down. For those of you that do this trick, how does that impact the performance?

For instance, even in the example given in the book, the first spectator ends up dealing down 23 cards to get to the climax. And he/she could have had to go as high as 30. 

Thoughts? I haven't taken it out for a spin yet, so it may work out just fine. I'm just curious.

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Some advice given for effects where there is a lot of dealing is to keep talking while the dealing is going on. I do not do that effect but you could prepare some "scripts" for that time, while the cards are being dealt, so it is not "dead" time.

Just a thought.

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I don't do the trick so I'm not sure of the context, but some general tips I've found when dealing down are:

1) As Luigimar said, keep talking as you deal.
2) Invest the audience in the dealing process, this could be as simple as 'I've cut to exactly X cards'.
3) Acting exhausted/bored from the dealing.  Eye rolling, indications of boredom, all facial, ham it up for maximal laughs and entertainment value.  Don't look bored, look like you're a caricature of a bored person.
4) Acting unsure.  A magician who is counting is naturally suspicious.  Miscounting, pretending to lose your place, then saying 'whatever it doesn't matter' (making sure you still count down accurately), makes people think the counting can't be a part of it, yet engages them still since you are counting.

Where the audience is counting down, this can really hurt as they may not go so fast but you could:

1) Tell some kind of a story while they deal down.  I saw Darwin Ortiz do this once with 'the appointment in Samarra', absolutely amazing.  But then it could be hard to make sure your spectator is doing it correctly.
2) Invest the audience with something, make a bold prediction.  'You've cut down to X number of cards', 'the card at Y will be', whatever makes sense in the context.
3) Take a casual attitude.  Ask them if they would like to deal a few more, act like it doesn't matter (keep counting as they deal), if the exact number matters at the end say, just a couple more.  Tell you what let's make it another 2, etc...
4) Have them count down by questions.  "I'm going to ask you a series of questions, feel free to lie, what's your favourite colour?  Blue?  Spell blue, b-l-u-e.  Now what's the last digit of the year you were born, 6?  Count down 6."  Go fishing and use improv until you get close to your desired number, then at the end just hit them with the remainder, or if you know the answer to something for sure just tell them to deal down that.
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I have to disagree with the last two posters. Everybody's lazy is a wonderful trick but it's appropriate for very specific circumstances. The spectators have to be interested in the dealing and counting itself and spend their time thinking "No way", with absolute focus on what you're doing. Talking over the counting is likely to lead to confusion and lack of focus and completely lose the magical bit. .... (of course now someone will prove me wrong and do it brilliantly as a comedy piece, because anything is possible).

However, Chi and Luigimar are right in that the scenario where you can keep audience attention/entertainment with counting alone simply is not going to happen in most commercial circumstances. I think this trick only works where you have truly established yourself with the audience, and they want a cerebral moment of impossibility.
Two areas where I have used the trick successfully are:

- as an encore in a formal close-up show (actually as a second encore after Tamariz's total coincidence). The Tamariz trick whips them into a frenzy and Aronson's brings back a cerebral problem to be left with

- in a social setting where I have performed a couple of items, probably interspersed with drinks and chat, and then have been "persuaded" to perform "just one more"


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I should say those tips I gave are not meant to be things that you should do at the same time.  They're alternative ways to build or retain interest during a counting down process.
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For instance, even in the example given in the book, the first spectator ends up dealing down 23 cards to get to the climax. And he/she could have had to go as high as 30. 

Right, but for that last revelation, it's so freakin' impossible (the spectator guesses where your card is?  what's even going on here?) that I think people will be interested.

I have performed and I have the cards for the last revelation dealt face up.  I'm not sure if this is optimal or not, but it does seem to drive home how impossible this is and I think it's slightly more interesting to watch.  There's something about seeing all the wrong cards go by that reminds people how ridiculous this whole stunt is.

Also, it doesn't take *that* long to count to 30. [smile]

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Is anyone familiar with Darwin Ortiz's effect "Zen Master"?  Is it a variation on Everybody's Lazy, and if so, how is it different?
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I often perform Everybody's Lazy and the secret is to keep talking through the dealing procedure. I sometimes use this as an opener as you don't touch the cards and I find te spectators relax as they are totally stunned.

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I often perform Everybody's Lazy and the secret is to keep talking through the dealing procedure. I sometimes use this as an opener as you don't touch the cards and I find te spectators relax as they are totally stunned.

Paul  

Right, but doesn't everyone have to pay attention to the count to make sure they're counting off the right number of cards?  Especially for the final revelation.

Interesting idea to use it as an opener!
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I think that everyone paying attention to the dealing is part of it. I am happy to use it as an opener and run the stack if need be as it is so strong.
After all I always have another stacked deck in the other pocket


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Thanks Paul. Speaking of the other stacked deck in your pocket...would you mind (perhaps in the Session room) sharing good ways to do this? So far my card magic stuff has been such that folks don't seem to notice or care much if I simply open another deck after using the first one. But eventually I'm sure someone will ask why:-P.

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Thanks Paul. Speaking of the other stacked deck in your pocket...would you mind (perhaps in the Session room) sharing good ways to the the switch? So far my card magic stuff has been such that folks don't seem to notice or care much if I simply open another deck after using the first one. But eventually I'm sure someone will ask why:-P.

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Ken

I don't use any fancy deck switches. I just put one deck away in the right pocket perform something else rather than cards and take the other pack out  of the left to finish

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Some advice given for effects where there is a lot of dealing is to keep talking while the dealing is going on. I do not do that effect but you could prepare some "scripts" for that time, while the cards are being dealt, so it is not "dead" time.

I don't do the effect either, but I have two thoughts on that I'll share regarding dealing tricks. First, many "dealing" effects depend on the deal to build tension. Whatever you say CANNOT take away from that. Second, the words you say cannot break the focus of the spectators (unless you specifically want it to). Telling a joke at this time could easily make them forget the conditions of the effect or take away the concentration of a spectator dealing. A really good laugh, as much as I love laughs, could make someone lose count. The words are more than fillers. What you say and how you say it are crucial and should not be glossed over as "filler".

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