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Gracie Morgan

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I'm going to spend some time in the lecture I'm doing Saturday teaching a few things to beginners-- but these techniques and tricks should also appeal to more advanced Card Handlers.

So to the beginners-- what are some of the things you'd like me to cover? Can't promise I'll be able to cover it all but there will be stuff you should be able to use right away, including a handling of the Hindu Shuffle force that makes it look really good.

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Hi, Gracie.

I'm not a beginner, but I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on the Hindu Shuffle Force. I've read a lot of negative comments about this that end up making me nervous about using it. So that's another thing for me to look forward to.

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Honestly, putting the various sleights into a perspective of how hard they are to learn, to pull off successful, versus their utility would be a good thing to go over. I spent a lot of time on the Herman Pass and yet I have found it to be of little use and difficult to pull off and actually unecessary for most applications, thus the time spent was wasted. A logical progression of sleights to learn would be great for a beginner.

That being said...Roadrunner Cull. 

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I have been around 30 years being a beginner, so it is a good question for me...

If I were you I would work hard on how to make the most of the not very difficult techniques and still very powerful, like, for example, Vernon's Multiple Control, or how to do a witty use of "The TILT", and make the best use of the universal technique of "Double Turn Over," "Braue Addition," "ATFUS," along with good presentations and showmanship.

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As a beginner, my two cents on the Hindu Shuffle is that the problem isn't that it has awkward handling, it's that nobody in Europe or the Americas uses it outside of a magic context, so it just immediately arouses suspicion. "Why are you shuffling the cards like that? Clearly they're not really being fairly shuffled, or you'd shuffle in a way that at least looks realistic..." Even before I started practicing magic, any time somebody would pull out the Chicago Opener or a similar effect utilizing the Hindu Shuffle Force, it immediately raised an aura of disbelief. I'm really curious to see how you address that, Gracie!

I definitely agree with Sam that listening to a logical progressions of sleights from a true professional is always interesting, although everybody has different perspectives on that (as I'm sure you saw in this thread: https://www.themagiciansforum.com/post/fundamental-card-sleights-10508515 [wink]
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Hindu shuffle force is superb... Max Maven tipped his work on it a few years back, I remember him saying it was best used for stage/parlor gigs - he used a subtlety to show different cards and then went to the force - I've used it to great effect whilst busking... the HSF is a winner in my book!
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     Somewhere I published my handling of the Hindu Shuffle force wherein you can flash the bottom card because you force the TOP card! I have fooled magicians with it over the decades.  You'll have to search for it. 
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I believe it was John Cornelius who would do the Hindu Shuffle action but take packets from the bottom of the right hand's group. Thus the face card would change as he lifted his right hand and flashed it. Then, for the force, he would appear to be doing the same thing, however this time he'd take packets from the top, ultimately showing the bottom card for the force. The first phase was just a demo showing that there'd be a random card at the face when the spec said "stop."

Good enhancement IMO.

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Hindu shuffle force is superb... Max Maven tipped his work on it a few years back, I remember him saying it was best used for stage/parlor gigs - he used a subtlety to show different cards and then went to the force - I've used it to great effect whilst busking... the HSF is a winner in my book!



I too, have a subtlety which shows different cards before the actual force. I've wrote my handling up on a couple of forums - no-one has mentioned Max, but you've now got me wondering if I have reinvented the wheel.

I wonder, would you mind if I PM you my handling, so you can say if it's the same as Max Mavens or not ?



Jim


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