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Hello,
The following is hard to talk about and discuss without " spilling the beans " so to speak. And my question for you is...how do you reveal someone's thought be it a playing card, a word from a book, a word that has been imagined in someone's mind? Something written on a billet etc.
Do you look them in the eye's? Do you touch them in any ways? Like a touch on the shoulders or on the back of there hand like EE's Invisible Tarot suggests.
Richard Osterlind in one of  his e-books talks about the concept of "forgetting. "In other words, actually forgetting the card or the word and having to re-remember the card or the word on the spot and they can see what appears to be " real mindreading ", i.e there is effort and work on the part of the mentalist to have that word or card come to mind. And the spectators can see it in your face. It's risky stuff, but when it works out - it's a thing of beauty.
(((I hope the above makes sense)))
Also, for playing card reveals I use a ruse by a mentalist by the name of Christopher Carter in which either a p**k or f***e is used.  You can find it in John Luka's LINT book. I would  love to tip it to you guys..but I don't have his permission. But it's worth checking out. Sweet & simple.
Thoughts and ideas wanted,
Thanks in advance!
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It depends on the situation and the people involved, also depends on the premise of the effect and what emotion I want the person involved to feel.
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When it comes to guessing a card a good magicians obviously takes his/her time to "divine" it along with some pantomima, like concentrating, touching the spectator's head...

I would like to add a little tip fot it:

If after the pantomime you name the card straightaway everytime you do a mentalism card trick, your spectators may easily think that everytime you do that you knew the card beforehand.
However, if you in some performances add the aspect of fishing it up, it wouldn't seem so obvious that you knew the card beforehand, so that spectators would think more about the magical aspect of knowing what's thinking the spectators.
I mean that in some mentalism magic trick you can say:
"I see a blurred black card... is that correct? Black?"
So spectators say "yes" as they may find it more convincing regarding mind-reading.

The Professor made it clear that "confusing is not magic," but I'm not talking about confusing the plot of the routine, but confusing any possible solution for the magical effect.   
 

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Here is how I approach revealing a card, in a Mentalism context. I'm not a Mentalist, but do use the occasional piece of the Mentalism variety.

Many here probably won't like this approach - it seems to find favour more amongst straight Mentalism performers, rather than magicians.

I've copied and pasted this from another site I'm a member of (it's my piece and I am the author) -


An acting ability is essential to this trick. The actual effect happens in the spectators mind, and relies heavily on what they believe and when they think it happened. Without this conviction on their part, the effect will fail.

Here is my procedure.

You must know the top card of the deck. Casually shuffle the cards retaining it there while introducing the effect. I usually peek the bottom card while revolving the deck, then shuffle the card to the top. Remember this card, it is your Key Card.

Place the deck face down on your outstretched palm, and ask the spectator to cut anywhere they like and look at the card cut to (the face card of the portion they hold). Turn the head slightly as this is being done, it should be obvious you have no opportunity to glimpse the card.
Note - as soon as the spectator goes to look at the card, lower your arm which has the rest of the cards. I got caught out once when the spectator quickly peeked the card and replaced the cut. Lowering the arm prevents this.

Ask them if they are happy with the card or would like to cut a different card. Assuming they are happy with the card tell them to look at and concentrate on it for a moment. Then tell them to give the packet a cut getting rid of the card.
Raise the arm again with the rest of the cards and have the spectator replace their cards (or lift half your cards, have the spectators drop theirs on the bottom portion, and place your remaining cards on top.
During the above process, you are looking away for the most part, only looking at the spectator occasionally while chatting. You face them properly after the spectator cuts their cards and you can't get a flash of the selection.

What the spectator has actually done is a very simplified handling of a Vernon key card placement. The selection is now the card above your key card (to the left of the key if looking through the deck).
If there is a table or surface available place the deck on it out of the way. If not simply hold on to it.

You are now going to start to apparently read the spectators mind.
Now there are three possible outcomes to this -

1 - you divine the colour, suit and value with 100% accuracy.

2 - you get either the colour or suit wrong, but get the rest correct.

3 - you miss on both the colour and suit but still get the value.

(If options two and three are unacceptable to you then the following will be of no interest).

Tell the spectator to imagine their card in front of them, and "draw" the card in the air as you say this. Then instruct them to make the card bigger, again using gesture to help the spectator visualise the card getting bigger. "And look close at any pips.....make them bright and colourful.... see the card in front of you......- its red.....yes ?"
As the above line is said you use a slightly simplified idea of Derrens - watch the spectator carefully as you say the line "bright and colourful" - if its a red card they will usually carry on with the visualisation. If the card is black however, quite often there will be a break in the visualisation process (how can black be bright and colourful) which will be noticeable to you. They may quickly glance at you, frown just slightly, their eyes can shift to the side slightly and back again etc. - often something will be out of place.

If there is no reaction at all assume the card is red. If there is any change, pause or anything, go for black. But don't reveal the colour as soon as you think you have it, say a line or two first. Also, don't ask if its red or whatever, state it as fact. It must be said as if you KNOW what colour it is. If they don't say anything, follow up your stating of the colour with a "yes ?".

If the colour is correct go on to name the suit, (getting the spectator to visualise it etc) you have a fifty percent chance of getting it correct.

If the colour is wrong - AS the spectator says no or shakes their head say " no its not, its a Club" (for example). So if you go for say red, as soon as you realise you are wrong, and before the spectator finishes their response, you quickly correct yourself as if YOU YOURSELF realised you had got it wrong. If you name the correct suit this effectively turns your miss into a hit as far as the audience is concerned. You name any suit of the opposite colour of course.

Note - any time you are wrong DO NOT blame the spectator or make them feel uncomfortable. Act a little annoyed at yourself. You can even inject a little humour if you wish (directed at yourself).

You have now named a suit. If its the correct one you proceed to the value. If its wrong, act a little annoyed. If I am wrong here and was also wrong with the colour I usually use Derrens line from Pure Effect. For example if the suit is clubs and I say spades I'll say "ah, the mists are clearing, its a club". This injects a little humour and breaks up the tension of the misses.

This leaves just the value.
How I go into the value depends on how right/wrong I've been with the colour and suit. If I was wrong with both colour and suit I'll get to the value much quicker.
In any case - get the spectator to concentrate on the value and whether it is high or low etc. Then in a sort of ah ha ! moment the card seems to come to you.
So for example - " now think of the value, see it clear in your mind, see the value, ah !! OK I think I've got it. Don't say what it is, I'll take the one I think it is out of the deck ".
Suiting your words to your actions, pick up the deck and quickly run through it looking for your key card, and remove the one above/to the left, this is the selection. DO NOT go back and forth through the deck or hesitate at all - you are not making a decision on the card, remember according to the spectators you already know the card. Find it as quickly as you can and remove it.

It is absolutely imperative that the spectators are convinced you know the card BEFORE you remove it. The ah ha moment must be clearly communicated with conviction. You must believe yourself that the information has literally just popped into your head.

Hold the card, back towards the spectator, and ask for the name of the selection. Look at the card you hold for a beat, then turn it to face the spectators.



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Wow!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for posting that..

I can't wait to try this out, it sounds like this is something I would have an interest in.

Thanks again,

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Excelent, Jim!

A great mentalism card trick!

I will practise and try it as soon as I can! 

Thanks a lot for sharing!

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Thank you for the kind words, Rick and Paco.


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Having read and studied DB this is quite similar to something I have done myself... all magicians would do well to read Pure Effect and Absolute Magic by Derren Brown - by the way his card skills are top-notch too as can be evidenced in his instructional video/DVD The Devil's Picturebook.
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Thanks Socrates.

That's quite interesting that you have a similar piece as well. I too have studied Derrens works, as you can probably tell from this piece.

I would highly recommend his books to any magician or mentalist. The only drawback is the ridiculous prices the books go for nowadays (I bought my copies when they first came out).


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