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Hi Fellas,

This is something that I've been working on.



I'd like to add one last phase. I know that Greg Wilson has a video called Ringleader, but it uses a finger ring. What are some good resources for moves done with a bigger ring like the one in my video?

By the way, I'm using an idea from Jay Scott Berry.

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Rudy, looks good. Mark Leveridge has some nice ideas on a ring and rope routine he called The Ring Competition. His is a three phase routine that is fairly simple to do, but does necessitate some practice to make it flow. I used the moves, but not Mark's routine, for some time before setting my ring and rope aside for a finger ring and rubber bands, so if you want to talk about his routine, let me know.

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Rudy, looks good. Mark Leveridge has some nice ideas on a ring and rope routine he called The Ring Competition. His is a three phase routine that is fairly simple to do, but does necessitate some practice to make it flow. I used the moves, but not Mark's routine, for some time before setting my ring and rope aside for a finger ring and rubber bands, so if you want to talk about his routine, let me know.

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Thank you so much, Anthony. Maybe we can schedule a video session this week?

Just let me know when you're available.

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The Jardine-Ellis ring gimmick is great and can be inexpensively found on the web and other places. Daryl has a great ring/string routine I found on a Worlds Greatest Magic DVD some years ago. Lately, I have been practicing Troy Hoosier's "Charming Chinese Challenge." This is an awesome ring/string routine that uses "Chinese coins" very cool looking dollar size "coins" with a hole in the middle and a two foot piece of ribbon. Very well routines and not tough to do, however, there is a lot of choreography to remember to perform it well.

It is sold as a coin trick, but it plays as a ring and string trick.

Here is the link from Vanishing Inc.

https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/close-up-magic/charming-chinese-challenge/


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You bet! Let me figure a day that I can get to the library for a reliable internet connection. Will be in touch.

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Dan Fleshman has an excellent ring and string routine using a finger ring. Here's an interesting interlude in such a routine. It's from my deep, dark past.




For a ring and rope routine, I highly recommend Glenn Morphew's "The Alien Ring." Super good routine.

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Very nice Mike!  It's cool to see videos like this.
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Wow Mike, way to rock the mullet!  Awesome magic too.
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Yes it really is the "deep, dark" past... Wish I had that hair back. Not much left up there.

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I second the Daryl routine. I saw it on his Steven's Magic Emporium video a long time ago... You can find it here...

https://www.stevensmagic.com/shop/daryl-volume-7-gmvl-dvd/

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And I just found a newer version with an extra phase at the end...


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Rudy --

I dug really hard into the ring and rope a while back -- and have quite a few resources on it -- Eric DeCamps pointed me at Wizardcraft for a brass ring.

Eric DeCamps -- routine on Reel Magic Issue 23 -- he was the feature and also did a Ring and Rope routine with explanation
World's Greatest Magic -- Ring and Rope - good stuff by Columbini, Daryl, Eric DeCamps, Mark Leveridge, and Frank Balzerak.
Aldo Columbini  - "Ring and Rope"  -- from Lybrary.com 
Scott Guin - "Great Scott's Ring and Rope Routine" -- from Lybrary.com

These are all reasonably inexpensive and immediately available.

I also found a book by Aldo named "Still Ringing" -- don't remember where I came across that -- it's a large paper-bound thing like some lecture notes are done.

World's Greatest Magic is probably the best bang for the buck with all different folks and really good material

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Phil Willmarth published a soft cover, stapled book quite a few years ago called "The Ring and Rope Book" in which he collected a lot of moves and routines from other magicians.  I'm pretty sure it's long out of print but you can still find second-hand copies from some of the used book vendors.  If you get a copy, be prepared for some frustration due to mistakes: "over" instead of "under" etc.  Despite that it is a good source for clever material.
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Thanks fellas!! I’m going to try and get my hands on as much of these resources as possible.
I’ll start with DeCamps on Reel Magic.

I appreciate all of your help!

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Rudy - If you're looking for an extended routine with a lot of phases and a cool presentation, I highly recommend "The Alien Ring" from Glenn Morphew.

Here's the link: THE ALIEN RING
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Rudy - If you're looking for an extended routine with a lot of phases and a cool presentation, I highly recommend "The Alien Ring" from Glenn Morphew.

Here's the link: THE ALIEN RING


That IS a cool routine -- thanks Mike! He understandably does not show his hands during some of the hook-ups, but I'm pretty sure all those are on the resources I mentioned -- the advantage being they are all in one place 😉

I'd be tempted to spring for it if he had a download of the instructions since I don't need rope or ring.

The only negative about messing with ring and rope is that it's more difficult to do that while waiting for something that's running while here at my desk working (I write software). Coins sleights are easy to practice -- even some card stuff, but you get into needing more space for ring and rope 😉

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Rudy - If you're looking for an extended routine with a lot of phases and a cool presentation, I highly recommend "The Alien Ring" from Glenn Morphew.

Here's the link: THE ALIEN RING


Now that's really cool. All - so near as I can tell - standard moves, but wrapped into an interesting and entertaining audience-pleasing routine. Impressive!
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I will say -- that last move, where he drops the ring and it links --- that's very cool -- and magical when it hits. I couldn't do it at all until I got a heavier ring. I could hit it now and again with a smaller brass ring and a shoelace, but when I finally got a large brass ring, the weight against the rope helps it all work -- just a note in case anyone doesn't already know that!
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Yep, that toss is tricky. Pun intended. Miss it and you be chasing your ring across the room!

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The Alien Ring promo is shot from a bad angle. He's performing for the girl and the camera doesn't see what she sees. When he teaches the various moves needed, he's facing the camera and then you see the full effect. It's a goodie!

John Mendoza has a killer ending for any ring and rope routine. I think it's in BOJ II, but I'm not sure.

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Mark Wright teaches his Ring on String routine in the instructional download for his RSVP box. Jim Krenz shared his version on a recent session it was a knockout.

I realise it isn’t a finger ring but, Dave Williamson’s Ring on Rope is one of my favourites.

I have to second MIke Breggars nod to Troy Hoosers Charming Chinese Challenge.
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Maybe a little off topic, but I’ve always been partial to this Tenyo item.


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Maybe a little off topic, but I’ve always been partial to this Tenyo item.



That is not it all off topic and looks amazing! I am actually using a move from Jay Scott Barry’s ring and ribbon routine.

Thanks for sharing this.

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Looks great Rudy. Don't overlook the liko-pang penetration which would fit perfectly right before the phase in your clip. I learned it from the Klutz Book.
I'll put up a demo later if I find my string and ring
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Rudy - If you're looking for an extended routine with a lot of phases and a cool presentation, I highly recommend "The Alien Ring" from Glenn Morphew.

Here's the link: THE ALIEN RING

Rudy, the very first phase of this routine is the liko-pang penetration I mentioned above. One of the phases where the ring is "double looped" and also the one where the ring is flipped and ends up knotted on the end are also taught in the Klutz book. Again, I learned it as a child right out of the Klutz book of Magic which actually came with a nice ring and string attached.
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Phil Willmarth published a soft cover, stapled book quite a few years ago called "The Ring and Rope Book" in which he collected a lot of moves and routines from other magicians.  I'm pretty sure it's long out of print but you can still find second-hand copies from some of the used book vendors.  If you get a copy, be prepared for some frustration due to mistakes: "over" instead of "under" etc.  Despite that it is a good source for clever material.


I believe I still have the Wilmarth book for anyone interested.  I bought it at his lecture in St. Louis many, many years ago.

Like a lot of lectures, you buy the book or notes based upon the performance but then you get home and never really get motivated to learn the work.  

I do a finger ring routine based upon Chris Kenner and Dan Fleshman's work while my "bigger" rings sit idle.  

Maybe I'll get motivated to bust them out now that Rudy has primed the pump.
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You beat me to recommending Glenn's Alien Ring. Got it at Pebblepalooza.

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anyone remember the one Doug henning did? it was available commercially but I don't remember the name
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anyone remember the one Doug henning did? it was available commercially but I don't remember the name


If it's the one I'm remembering, then yes, I remember. Done with a bracelet? If so, I bought it back in the day, and think it was called BewilderRing, and was the creation of Doug Bennett. It required a gimmick that turned out to be impractical, at least for me, so I never performed it. Sure looked good when Henning did it though!

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If it's the one I'm remembering, then yes, I remember. Done with a bracelet? If so, I bought it back in the day, and think it was called BewilderRing, and was the creation of Doug Bennett. It required a gimmick that turned out to be impractical, at least for me, so I never performed it. Sure looked good when Henning did it though!

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thats the one! I ordered it from tannens but the instructions were missing and I couldn't get them to send a copy so I never learned it.
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My first was a packaged thing with a small brass ring and a shoelace.

The demo of it was very convincing, but I couldn't get myself to really learn it because of the 'work' that was done.

Instead, I searched out REAL ring and rope routines as I detailed previously on this thread.

The fact that the ring and rope are really simply a ring and a rope and those are what you are working with is what attracted me

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Dave, was that the UF Grant “Swing a Ring” or something like that? https://www.bigguysmagic.com/swing-a-ring-uf-grant-improved/ This one’s even updated with “Neo-Technology” !!!!



Jokes aside, Aaron Fisher’s Conjurers Community has a great take on this old trick.
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I believe Petrick and Mia, Jay Scott Berry, as well as Aldo and Rachael Colombini had some ring and string magic.
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Dave, was that the UF Grant “Swing a Ring” or something like that? https://www.bigguysmagic.com/swing-a-ring-uf-grant-improved/ This one’s even updated with “Neo-Technology” !!!!



Jokes aside, Aaron Fisher’s Conjurers Community has a great take on this old trick.


yes it was from CC that I watched it, and it was this effect:

https://fantasmamagic.com/products/ring-escape?variant=16987340505203



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I don't want to disrupt this post, but I have a minor sidetrack. I was thinking about ring and string routines just last night and it occurred to me that the one thing people most naturally string on a cord is beads (as in bead necklaces or bracelets). I mean that is what they are for. So, I thought that a penetration routine in which one couldn't keep the beads on a string might be strong. Does anyone know of anybody doing something like this?
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Grandmother's Necklace, and its extensions/variations (Grandmother's Clothesline for example)

I have a routine that I've never actually performed that involves a cursed Egyptian scarab-beetle bead, a necklace, an immortal Italian artist, and a thief ... well you can see why I've never performed it 😉  but it fits the category
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Yep, Grandmother's Necklace. Showed up in Modern Magic, and was old even then. It's a one-and-done sort of thing, not sustained in the manner of a rope and ring routine, but could be a nice opening phase if you can figure out how to follow it.
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Don't know if it's available, but I always liked Dean Dill's version, called Nana's Necklace.

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Something I've been playing with recently since receiving the superb 'The Essential Stewart James'. My presentation for James' Sefalaljia Jr. I'm trying to clean up the fiddly bit but I like the reveal.

As those Stewart James aficianado's will know, this item is part of a larger spirit cabinet routine called Sefalaljia.



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I have always loved that trick, Gareth, and used to perform it with a safety pin and both hands beneath the cover. Is the paper clip your innovation? It really works well! Thanks for sharing. Love to discuss during the next session!

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Something I've been playing with recently since receiving the superb 'The Essential Stewart James'. My presentation for James' Sefalaljia Jr. I'm trying to clean up the fiddly bit but I like the reveal.

As those Stewart James aficianado's will know, this item is part of a larger spirit cabinet routine called Sefalaljia.



Might discuss this at next Saturday session.




Nice, but I prefer the version with the safety pin, just seems even more impossible.  To me.
As far as the "fiddly part", I prefer to do it in this order:  1.  lay out Rope and ring, loose on table.  2.  Cover with silk  3.  Go under silk with the pin and quickly fasten it in the "required" position.  4.  Pull slack through the ring so that I have a large "target" under the silk.  5.  Remove hands from under, grasp one end with LH, put RH finger into the "target loop" and pull with LH.

This way it doesn't look fiddly at all, the movements under the silk are clearly the simple fastening of the pin onto the rope.  If you work quickly, none are the wiser.

I think any attempt to put the ring on the ribbon before the silk covers it, hurts the illusion.  YMMV
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I agree Ray.

I developed this as I couldn't lay my hands on a safety pin. I have now though a nice big safety pin. The initial nonsense phase still works, perhaps even funnier as the 'penetration effect' is retained. Might need to dust off a thimble, have pricked my finger a time or two in practice! Hey segway into thimble routine!?

Will practice a little more and show hopefully a more magical version in the next session.


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That's such a cool, ingenious Stewart James trick, Gareth. Glad to see anyone using it.

Ray's advice is sound. I have usually seen it done with all the hookup work happening under cover of the silk. If not the safety pin part (you have some nice byplay doing that openly), I think the placing of ring on ribbon would be best under cover.

Your thimble comment made me think it would be funny if you showed the safety pin, accidentally poked yourself with it, remembered the thimble in your pocket, went under silk holding safety pin and with thimble on finger... and then thimble also somehow ended up threaded onto the ribbon. But this could just be sleep deprivation talking.

I hope we'll get to see how this progresses at a future session.
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I agree Ray.

I developed this as I couldn't lay my hands on a safety pin. I have now though a nice big safety pin. The initial nonsense phase still works, perhaps even funnier as the 'penetration effect' is retained. Might need to dust off a thimble, have pricked my finger a time or two in practice! Hey segway into thimble routine!?

Will practice a little more and show hopefully a more magical version in the next session.




Gareth, the clip is fine and if that is what you had available, then that is a great example of being resourceful!

I didn't mean to diminish your effect at all!  It was fine as-is, but like John Guastaferro mentioned the other day, that 1 degree can make all the difference.

BTW, there is no reason not to use this as a "finale" to a normal ring-and-string routine.  You do a number of penetrations and/or removals and then you offer to perform it under "test conditions".
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That's such a cool, ingenious Stewart James trick, Gareth. Glad to see anyone using it.

Ray's advice is sound. I have usually seen it done with all the hookup work happening under cover of the silk. If not the safety pin part (you have some nice byplay doing that openly), I think the placing of ring on ribbon would be best under cover.

Your thimble comment made me think it would be funny if you showed the safety pin, accidentally poked yourself with it, remembered the thimble in your pocket, went under silk holding safety pin and with thimble on finger... and then thimble also somehow ended up threaded onto the ribbon. But this could just be sleep deprivation talking.

I hope we'll get to see how this progresses at a future session.


So let's take the thimble gag a step further.  In stead of it somehow penetrating the ribbon, it changes color.  

You go to the pocket and bring out the white thimble.  You display it cleanly so that they can see it is white.  You then go under the silk and do your business with the ring and pin.


Then you come out with the thimble and it has turned red (ostensibly from your bleeding finger).  You stare at it, startled, as you mumble "Oh the sacrifice I make for magic, the blood, sweat, the tears."  

I think it would be funny.
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All good Ray. The safety pin version is stronger. See you at the session. I’m all about the John G 1degree.
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