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Anyone know of the best Rounded Corner Punch tool which matches up perfectly with Bicycle cards?  I want to make some custom cards and would be nice if they match up perfectly with Bicycle.
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To my knowledge, this is, by far, the best commercial corner rounder on the market.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0076FJ7SS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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I recalled this thread from The Genii Forum that has some helpful info and links. 

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To my knowledge, this is, by far, the best commercial corner rounder on the market.


Thank you, do you know if the small rounded corner is flush with Rider Back Bicycle cards?
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That's the one I bought. Great product

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Me too … works great!
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Another vote for the device pictured above.

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Thank you, do you know if the small rounded corner is flush with Rider Back Bicycle cards?


The three sizes are 3mm 5mm and 8mm. Bicycle cards use a 3mm radius, I believe.

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I ordered it thanks!  Can't wait to try it out 😉
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You purchased the right stuff, as Intensely Magic said the 3mm radius is used by Bicycle; add a cheap 4mm radius corner rounder - tons of them on the big auction site- and you'll have a virtually invisible corner short tool.
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You purchased the right stuff, as Intensely Magic said the 3mm radius is used by Bicycle; add a cheap 4mm radius corner rounder - tons of them on the big auction site- and you'll have a virtually invisible corner short tool.


Thank you and everyone verifying it is 3mm radius.  

I've seen cards shortened (Svengali) and tapered (Stripper) but never a discussion about corner shorting.  I tried searching youtube with "short corner magic" and didn't come up with anything. What is the name of the deck which uses this?  Just wanted to see some example magic using this type of deck.  Sounds really neat/clever -- also very easy to implement.
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I'm not home today, from the tip of my head there is a chapter devoted to corner short cards tricks, but was it in Hilliard or in Kaplan? I'll check tomorrow. Basically, it's nothing else than  an equivalent of a crimped card...
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Did my homework, it 's in George G. Kaplan "The fine art of magic", chapter one which doesn't help a lot as this book is not available as a .PDF at Lybrary.com, and the cheapest on Bookfinder is around 200$...
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Look up "The Tuned Deck" in Greater Magic. Great exhibition of blindfolded card magic.
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To my knowledge, this is, by far, the best commercial corner rounder on the market.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0076FJ7SS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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I can personally attest that for me this one is best and I have tried many https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07M7K86BV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 It's made of metal and has the leverage needed, to do multiple cards at one time.

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You purchased the right stuff, as Intensely Magic said the 3mm radius is used by Bicycle; add a cheap 4mm radius corner rounder - tons of them on the big auction site- and you'll have a virtually invisible corner short tool.


Is the 5mm too noticeable for short corners or will it work for most situations? 

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I don't worry about any sleight abnormality in my corner shorts, using a 5mm rounder. If my audiences were to notice anything, then I'm doing something wrong. Before corner rounders, magicians used nail clippers and had no problem hiding the discrepancies. Just saying.
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   I was soooo lucky!!!  As a young boy, sooo interested in card magic - I never knew about rounded corners, trick decks, and so on. So, had to learn how to do "good stuff" with a regular/borrowed deck. Which is what I do to this day, and have done for about eight decades.

    Suggest you learn some of my "good stuff" that you can do when someone hands you THEIR deck. (Also saves you the money you spend on gimmicks - and round corner things!). You'll learn some of THAT when you stop spending time rounding corners and use that time as mentioned.  Just wanted to mention this -  it is, obviously, your call.
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     That's fine. I guess it's according to the individual. For me, at my stage of "life" in the area of card magic, if I use my own deck - rounded corners or not - I lose up to 50% of the effect - due to the audience's attitude (I'll let my ego shine through here; forgive please) - BECAUSE OF THE STRENGTH OF THE EFFECTS/ROUTINES I DO (the "good stuff" that I teach in my books and DVDs) --- the "attitude" is - "Get outta' here; that's impossible - gotta' be a trick deck!" 

    That's the fact no matter the "type" of audience, and holds true for people like Mel Brooks, Stephen Sondheim, Carl Reiner, Mike Bloomberg, and so on. These people would laugh if I took out my own deck (to do some tricks or to play cards!!) Gotta' do, and remark about, what works for, what's best for, ME.
    
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Always good comments, Harry... and we all appreciate your insights and experience.

Being a hobbyist and only perform for family, I have a bit more 'freedom' to experiment with some of those things. I do have that punch, but do I have a corner short in the deck I'm wearing out? No... it's just a regular (getting) worn out deck.

I'd trade all the 'stuff' I have for 1 unopened deck of regular cards if I could also get the skills and personality you or a select few others have.

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   Those skills will, in my opinion, keep growing as you continue to use REGULAR decks. Just my opinion...obviously to each his own.
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Mr. Lorayne

Are you advocating NOT taking advantage of all possible tools, available to card magicians?

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       That's exactly what I'm doing - advocating, in my opinion, THE BEST OF ALL POSSIBLE WAYS to be considered a "REAL" card magician --- do "it" with THEIR DECK.
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     However, I've said/written it often enough --- to each his own. You want to use rounded corners? Fine. I believe that whatever you do with your rounded corner deck I can do - so far as the lay audience is concerned - with HIS REGULAR DECK.  As I've also said/written many times - any effect/routine done with your deck loses up to 30%/or more of the effectiveness it'd have done with HIS/HER DECK. So, yes, please forgive my "advocating."
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Harry, way, way, way back when you worked in a restaurant doing magic, you couldn't borrow cards at every table could you? Did you use your own then? It depends on circumstance. In my own restaurant work  l  use my own decks but they are handled at some point by an audience member.  I used to say, next time you visit, bring your own cards and I'll entertain you with them. Over a period of time that only ever happened three times. 

As for cabaret performers that use card effects I don't ever recall coming across one that borrowed a deck,  and I don't think the paying audiences considered them less of a magician. 


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Mr. Loaryne Sir

I not only appreciated your opinions but am honored that would give so freely of yourself, calling your words simple opinions. A man with your credentials and expertise does not voice "opinions" but presents FACTS to the magic community, worthy of the deepest considerations and scrutiny. My asking if you were "advocating" was to clearly, understand your position. Thank you for your response and taking even a little time, to educate a peon like myself 😉

Edit; and for those who think I'm being sarcastic? Think again. Most of us can only dream, of accomplishing even a bit of what Mr. Lorayne has done. He truly is a man, worthy of respect and admiration.

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Hello Everyone, 

Taking a topic from the archive...

So I received the corner rounder last week and tried "tampering" a few decks.

5mm seems a bit too much for me (4mm would have been perfect), but its goes unoticed so far (apart on old decks, as the newly cut corners are white instead of grey (love working with old decks, shows history). BUT I LOVE IT STILL !

Although I agree 99% with Mr Lorayne, I would also say to each his own.

Yes, as magicians, any effect will be perceived way better with a borrowed deck of cards, and sleight of hands can acheive almost anything.
I've also noticed most decks borrowed have some pictured that enables some other types of controls.
But when they dont, sleights generally do the deed for other killer tricks anyway !
Adapt and overcome haha

Still, rounders can also do other types of miracles. - check Triple C by Christian Engblom for instance.

I love mem decks magic, and usually open with them, or do a deck switch. When perforrming at friends house, there is always a time when they ask if i can do tricks with "their decks" of cards, and I beleive the effects are even stronger when you prove them right. 

Any "utility" shouldnt make us Lazy, professionals or not, be it stripper, corners, marked, memorised etc.
And if you want to do the same effects, over and over (I love doing it), it has to be with different means and sleights everytime.

On a side note,   Anyone knows where to find a good and cheap  4mm  corner rounder ?

 

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3mm is the proper size. At least that's what is mentioned in the fantastic book A New Angle. https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-books/a-new-angle/

There are a few different rounders show in there. I personally use one of these. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07M7K86BV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Too be fair, I didn't pay about 25 bucks for mine. I just checked my order history and it was around 15 when I got mine almost exactly a year ago.
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Thank you Jack.

I dont understant when you say 3mm is the proper size.

As bicycles are alerady 3mm, it wont cut anything would it ?   tried 3mm,   doesnt do much (not enuff to feel it)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07M7K86BV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 looks good tho !   
does it really make a difference on bicycles ?

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I suppose it depends on how you plan on "tampering" with the cards. The whole point of a 3mm rounder is to bring the corners back to a factory sized radius after a previous cut that would have squared them off.

If you use a 3mm cutter on a deck fresh out of the box it won't do a thing.

I hope this cleared up any confusion. Perhaps I said too much in the open.

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I like the combo puncher in post #2, because I can use it with 3mm punch to make stock looking svengali cards after cutting short with paper cutter & jig. 

Then I can use the 4mm or 5mm for shorting a corner.

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Hoooo   okok I get it Jack.

Thank you for clarifying.

I dont really tamper / cut the cards a la Svengali or stripper, just use the corner to "pinky control" after a shuffle when the spec puts back the card himself in the deck and overhand shuffle..., hence the reason I never really needed the 3mm. 

Still, I find the 5mm slightly too obvious..  (never had troubles, but I guess it ticks me). 

I use the combo puncher too, its just awesome 😎 

Thanks Jack and Jennifer for the posts.

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See attached list.

 
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1/8" is a perfect fit...corner radius.jpg
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Pure sleight is great but not necessarily the only or best way to accomplish the effect and be entertaining to the audience (who hopefully is unaware how you accomplish an effect anyway). Tony Wonder shows us what throughly gimmicked performances can accomplish. I'd say use whatever technique 1) produces the best effect in the mind of the audience, 2) can be accomplished without tipping the method easily and naturally. 
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The Kadomaru punch I have mentioned above, the small is 3mm right?  I just converted 1/8" to mm and it comes to 3.17mm.  So even though I use it to round shortened svengali cards, it's still a little less rounded than the rest of the cards right.. just a bit. But it works fine.  I guess it wouldn't be good for making custom playing cards to match exactly the rest of the deck..  Need a 1/8" punch.
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Hello Everyone, 

Taking a topic from the archive...

So I received the corner rounder last week and tried "tampering" a few decks.

5mm seems a bit too much for me (4mm would have been perfect), but its goes unoticed so far (apart on old decks, as the newly cut corners are white instead of grey (love working with old decks, shows history). BUT I LOVE IT STILL !

Although I agree 99% with Mr Lorayne, I would also say to each his own.

Yes, as magicians, any effect will be perceived way better with a borrowed deck of cards, and sleight of hands can acheive almost anything.
I've also noticed most decks borrowed have some pictured that enables some other types of controls.
But when they dont, sleights generally do the deed for other killer tricks anyway !
Adapt and overcome haha

Still, rounders can also do other types of miracles. - check Triple C by Christian Engblom for instance.

I love mem decks magic, and usually open with them, or do a deck switch. When perforrming at friends house, there is always a time when they ask if i can do tricks with "their decks" of cards, and I beleive the effects are even stronger when you prove them right. 

Any "utility" shouldnt make us Lazy, professionals or not, be it stripper, corners, marked, memorised etc.
And if you want to do the same effects, over and over (I love doing it), it has to be with different means and sleights everytime.

On a side note,   Anyone knows where to find a good and cheap  4mm  corner rounder ?

 


Ebay is a great place to get a corner cutter or any hobby craft shop thats where I get mine. Made my own deck and it works perfect, then I purchased triple c and found out it was the same method. I would like to share with you an effect I came up with using this gaffed deck and combining Search and Destroy by Aaron Fisher. I sent it to Christian Engblom and he loved it. 
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These corner rounders are also handy if you want to stick a Psypher onto the front of a playing card And conceal it inside a deck box (and use the box to support writing On a post-it note with your Psypher Sharpie.)
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The only "scrap booking" punch or "corner rounder" I can find is closer to 3/32" (just under .094") compared to the 1/8 (.125") of the card radius... so the radius is tighter and more "squared." The difference is over .030"....
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Hey all,

I posted an image on my blog a while ago, showing the difference between the 3mm, 4mm and 5mm radii, which can be seen here.

I thought it might be useful to see the different cuts overlapped.
The middle card has a white border so you can distinguish it from the bee back design of the other two.

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th10111...

Watched the video in the blog post -- went and corner shorted a card and stuck it in a deck.

I did the forefinger straightening of the sides with the thumbs at the corners. I didn't see anything going on but 3 times straight I cut it at the shorted card.

I've never seen that before... thanks!

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th10111...

Watched the video in the blog post -- went and corner shorted a card and stuck it in a deck.

I did the forefinger straightening of the sides with the thumbs at the corners. I didn't see anything going on but 3 times straight I cut it at the shorted card.

I've never seen that before... thanks!


There was a time when the first thing I did when I opened a new pack of cards was to corner short one.  I don't do it anymore, just when I really want or need to.  But it used to be habit.
Because it is one of the most useful and under-utilized weapons in my opinion.  They can be extremely fine, certainly fine enough to never be detected and still work like a charm.
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Ray --

I've used corner shorts to cut a card to the top (or bottom) say for example using a stack, or block I wanted to control...

But the way th10111 squared up the cards in that video and cut at the short card was a new one on me, and surprised the crap out of me when it worked... and notice, you're not cutting from the corner... you're cutting from the long side.... never saw that before.

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Ray --

I've used corner shorts to cut a card to the top (or bottom) say for example using a stack, or block I wanted to control...

But the way th10111 squared up the cards in that video and cut at the short card was a new one on me, and surprised the crap out of me when it worked... and notice, you're not cutting from the corner... you're cutting from the long side.... never saw that before.


Yes, when combined with a riffle shuffle it is devestating.
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