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Bill Guinee

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I would be interested to hear your comments on tricks where rubber bands are the primary prop. (This does not include, for example, card tricks in which the deck is surrounded by a rubber band). I confess that I have a prejudice against rubber band tricks, but I know that many magicians have sworn by them. So, I am hoping you can set me straight on this.

Let me explain my issue with rubber bands. First, I must admit that the only rubber band tricks that I am aware of are 1) penetration tricks (through each other, a finger ring, etc.) or 2) tricks in which a rubber band is broken and restored. I don't know of any vanishing and appearing rubber bands, color changing rubber bands, etc. 

Unfortunately, for me, the penetration of two rubber bands does not seem viscerally impressive. While I understand, in terms of physics, that rubber bands are solid so their penetration is impossible, to the senses they seem to be almost the least solid things around. The linking of two steel rings seems genuinely impossible, but rubber bands seem so inherently mutable that it just isn't as impressive. They seem almost liquid already so the move to penetrations or restorations just doesn't seem as great. 

So, to you guys who use them, where am I missing the boat on this? Why are rubber band tricks good magic? Do they really astonish audiences, or do we just do them because rubber bands are fun to play around with? I am really hoping I am wrong about this, because they are so cheap and easy to carry.
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Originally Posted by Bill Guinee
I would be interested to hear your comments on tricks where rubber bands are the primary prop. (This does not include, for example, card tricks in which the deck is surrounded by a rubber band). I confess that I have a prejudice against rubber band tricks, but I know that many magicians have sworn by them. So, I am hoping you can set me straight on this.

Let me explain my issue with rubber bands. First, I must admit that the only rubber band tricks that I am aware of are 1) penetration tricks (through each other, a finger ring, etc.) or 2) tricks in which a rubber band is broken and restored. I don't know of any vanishing and appearing rubber bands, color changing rubber bands, etc. 

Unfortunately, for me, the penetration of two rubber bands does not seem viscerally impressive. While I understand, in terms of physics, that rubber bands are solid so their penetration is impossible, to the senses they seem to be almost the least solid things around. The linking of two steel rings seems genuinely impossible, but rubber bands seem so inherently mutable that it just isn't as impressive. They seem almost liquid already so the move to penetrations or restorations just doesn't seem as great. 

So, to you guys who use them, where am I missing the boat on this? Why are rubber band tricks good magic? Do they really astonish audiences, or do we just do them because rubber bands are fun to play around with? I am really hoping I am wrong about this, because they are so cheap and easy to carry.


Bill, I'm sort of with you on this one.  I don't do any magic with rubber bands myself.  I've seen some visual stuff with rubber bands, none of which I felt like learning.  Just not my thing.  If it is your thing, go for it!  But make it snappy.
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I have my script somewhere on here for CMH's, for me it's the script that makes the trick go over so well, also it's not uncommon for one to have rubber bands on them.

Nothing wrong with a little pseudo science lol
https://www.themagiciansforum.com/post/quantum-theory-crazymans-handcuffs-9617520?highlight=aspect+france



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  You might even look up my rubber band trick, SNAP!, which I published in any early book of mine, and also perform and teach on one of my "Best Ever" DVD volumes.  Oh, and a rubber band is the only prop!    As usual - ya' gotta' start reading  (and watching) the good stuff!!!!

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Give it a try on some people yourself and see how they react. 
If they react really good, maybe you can find the answer yourself. 
I don't really like performing sponge balls. But when someone opens their hand and finds that they now have two in their hand instead of one, it fries them. 
I feel the same way about psychological forces (ex: 37 and 68). And yet, time and time again I see hypnotists fry people at the beginning of their shows with this. 

So, I have a really, really short sponge ball routine for walkaround, but still avoid the psychological forces like the plague. 

I perform CMH as well. It gets great reactions. It just looks so impossible.

EDITED ADDITION: Harry Lorayne's "SNAP" is excellent as well. Break a rubber band and restore it. It's definitely generates "What the?" reactions. 
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Dans suggestion is good - learn a rubber band trick and try it out for real people. You may be surprised at the reactions.



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Originally Posted by Bill Guinee
I would be interested to hear your comments on tricks where rubber bands are the primary prop. (This does not include, for example, card tricks in which the deck is surrounded by a rubber band). I confess that I have a prejudice against rubber band tricks, but I know that many magicians have sworn by them. So, I am hoping you can set me straight on this.

Let me explain my issue with rubber bands. First, I must admit that the only rubber band tricks that I am aware of are 1) penetration tricks (through each other, a finger ring, etc.) or 2) tricks in which a rubber band is broken and restored. I don't know of any vanishing and appearing rubber bands, color changing rubber bands, etc. 

Unfortunately, for me, the penetration of two rubber bands does not seem viscerally impressive. While I understand, in terms of physics, that rubber bands are solid so their penetration is impossible, to the senses they seem to be almost the least solid things around. The linking of two steel rings seems genuinely impossible, but rubber bands seem so inherently mutable that it just isn't as impressive. They seem almost liquid already so the move to penetrations or restorations just doesn't seem as great. 

So, to you guys who use them, where am I missing the boat on this? Why are rubber band tricks good magic? Do they really astonish audiences, or do we just do them because rubber bands are fun to play around with? I am really hoping I am wrong about this, because they are so cheap and easy to carry.


There is a rubber band disappearing up the nose that I find has a ‘visceral effect’ on observers! I always keep a few in my pocket (Di keeps finding them in the washing machine). It’s interesting that you contrasted them with the steel rings, Bill. My thought is that everyone probably suspects a key ring (a cheap set is in nearly every kids magic kit), whereas it’s the commonplace nature of rubber bands that makes them so improbable to be a rigged ‘magic item’ (‘Ha!’). It’s their suspected ‘mutability’ that I think would increase the wonder quotient in many individuals. Especially if you hand over the bands as a keepsake. Doing that with the steel rings would be ... problematic. I have to say, I find rubber bands fun.
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John Cowne - where is that rubber band up the nose trick found? I've seen it performed many times, but have never seen it in print.
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I love doing CMH because when I have the spectator hold on to one rubber band and I penetrate the other through it, it never fails to get great reactions. However, I learned a follow up to CMH from Nate Staniforth's course on making tricks into magic where he then takes the rubber band and penetrates it through the spectator's arm, and that is just a killer ending to it all.
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John Cowne - where is that rubber band up the nose trick found? I've seen it performed many times, but have never seen it in print.


Hey Dan. It’s on the DVD, “HotShot with RubberBands: Learn the Ultimate Collection of Rubber Band Tricks”, by Ben Salinas, through ‘Magic Makers’. it includes vanishes, re-appearances penetrations, joining together, pass through ring, jumps (an old classic), melts through spectator’s arm and ‘Amaze!’ I’m sure I’ve seen the ‘up the nose’ played as a quick moment in AGT or BGT by a close-up magician and the response was ‘very satisfying’. I think the opening line was “Wanna see how magicians cure sinus?”. Or it might have been on the DVD.
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