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Hi Everyone!

It's time for another Saturday Session!

Date: Saturday, February 22nd
Time: 2pm - 4pm (Pacific)

If you’re new to the forum, our Saturday Sessions are online video sessions (via Zoom) that allow the members of the Magician’s Forum to come together and share some of the magic that they’ve been working on. It’s a great way to get to know other members of our community while sharpening your skills. It’s always a great time!

Please take a moment and register for the meeting at the following link:

https://zoom.us/meeting/register/tJEsdumrqDwpRfEQiHvgV_hX2JK_d7qeuA

After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the meeting.

Those who attend the session will receive a link to the video recording of our time together.

I hope you can join us!

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Can't wait!!  Hopefully I can attend. 
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Cool. I've registered and will have something to share if there's time. 

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I'm in.
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I've signed up ... but I will be in Maui so I may be on the beach
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It's fine, Robin. You will be dressed for your Milk Can Escape.

(I'll try to make it.)
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Thanks to those who registered! If you haven’t, I hope you’ll take a moment to do so now.

I was thinking that it might be wise for us to plan in advance who will be doing demonstrations.

Please let me know here if you’d like to show something and what it will be.

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Rudy,

              I can show a different version of Simon Aronson's undo influence principle if there's time.
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Rudy,

              I can show a different version of Simon Aronson's undo influence principle if there's time.


Sounds great, rready!!

Rudy

p.s. To those who haven't registered for this weekend's Saturday Session, please take a moment to do so now and let us know if you'd like to share anything. See you then!

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Going to try and join but I am doubtful [frown]  
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I am planning on being there. I have a fun little self-working card trick I would like to share.


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Registered, but may have to leave early!  [frown]
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Rudy - I PMed you to let you know the routine I'd like to share.

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I originally thought that I was going to be able to make it until, I remembered I have a wedding that I need to attend that night.  Bummed I will miss it. Will have to catch you guys next time.

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Hope that I can manage it this time to take part. I could share my version of Thrust and/or an addition to a Harry Lorayne effect...and found a new one-way-deck...etc

Hope to see you all!

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I originally thought that I was going to be able to make it until, I remembered I have a wedding that I need to attend that night.  Bummed I will miss it. Will have to catch you guys next time.

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Obviously not your wedding? :)
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Obviously not your wedding? 😉


Hahaha, nope!
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Bump. There's still time to sign up and join us for another fabulous Saturday Session courtesy of Rudy!

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Bump... A quick reminder that we have this session tomorrow... A great opportunity for the new members to see what the Saturday Sessions are about...
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Bump... A quick reminder that we have this session tomorrow... A great opportunity for the new members to see what the Saturday Sessions are about...


Hi Fellas,

I'm looking forward to seeing you this afternoon. There is still time to register!

You can do so at the following link:

https://zoom.us/meeting/register/tJEsdumrqDwpRfEQiHvgV_hX2JK_d7qeuA

See you soon!

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Sorry,

we just have got unexpected friends visiting us, so I probably can´t make to enjoy this session. Hope you will have fun. See you next time!

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Sorry,

we just have got unexpected friends visiting us, so I probably can´t make to enjoy this session. Hope you will have fun. See you next time!

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We'll drink a toast and pick a card in your honor! Enjoy your visitors.

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Great fun and some really wonderful ideas exchanged. Thanks, all!
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I’m grateful for all those who attended.

There was some great magic shown!! I will send the recording to those who attended. Most likely tomorrow night.

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I agree, this was a great session (as are all of them).  I will definitely be working on the routine that JohnnyNewYork showed.

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I’m with Tom and Chris on this one - the TMF sessions are ALWAYS extremely informative and today’s session (all 2.5 hours) was one of the best.  THANKS so much to Rudy and everyone who participated - great ideas and I’m really eager to run through the video.  Tony, that was a really nice routine and Mike’s idea of memdeck work along with Mike’s PM principle to enhance the routine has opened a lot of avenues for me to explore.  Tom - the dice /card routine seemed impossible - thanks for sharing the it. Jim - the shot glass idea was extremely deceptive.  Too many guys to mention, but everyone shared some strong magic today!

Apparently this session was well attended - I’m glad TMF members are taking advantage of a great feature on TMF; Rudy - as usual, you do an outstanding job moving everything along! - johnny
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With characteristic humility, Johnny neglected to mention the part where he made us wonder "Why is he showing us the slop shuffle?" and then proceeded to fool the pants off of us.

Really, everything shown was pretty interesting. Too many guys to mention indeed!
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I always come away with far more than I manage to contribute. This session may be a milestone; I came away with so much that I am as yet unable to process it. It may be weeks. Mike, great coin work. Andru, loved your tips on Triumph and the "Say Stop" trick.  Johnny, you fooled me too, with the kicker. Did not see it coming. Sorry I had to bug after two hours, but here on the east coast it was well past my dinner time and I had to head for the kitchen. Sorry, Gareth! I was looking forward to your updated handling of Sefalaljia; I shall catch it on the replay, sir! As others have said, too many to mention. Many thanks to all.

Rudy, love the more organized format. It's a winner!

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Indeed it was a great session! It was probably the longest one to date and I'm sure there were some people who still wanted to share something. I am one of those. I prepared a "twisting" effect that I learned from a Jon Racherbaumer manuscript. I may share it next time.

Great job to those who contributed and I'll see you next time!

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Sounds that you guys had a good time (as always on our Sessions!!)...again, Thank you Rudy for organizing them regular basis!

And Thank you Anthony for toasting on me, I felt it physically [smile].

And Luis..good to hear that, then we both share our routines the next time...my explanation would have taken longer than the actual trick [sleep]

And while waiting for the next Session I could do some more research on my routine:

Does anyone of you know other sources then More/Greater Magic (mostly Al Baker and Vernon) Living End (Thompson) and Jennings for the effect "Thrust" (Spectator takes card behind his his back, turns it over, puts it back into the deck and finds the chosen card of another spectator)? I have checked all sources that are in my reach (also almost forgot to mention Dominic Twose´s version from Impromptu Secrets) but if you have further handlings please let me know! (I aslo checked of course Denis Behr´s site...)

See you better prepared next time I hope.

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Axel... I believe U. F. Grant has some work on this in the "Double-Backer" chapter in Hugard's Encyclopedia of Card Magic


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Yeah, that session was a lot of fun. Some of the things went over my head in the discussions, mostly tricks, techniques, and people I had never heard of, but I will try and figure out. Those dice were crazy. I thought of at least three different routines with them by the time I went to bed. I bet you more experienced guys must have had a dozen different ideas on how to use them.
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I had to bail before it finished, but I really enjoyed the discussions!

There were too many stand-out moments for me, all of which have been mentioned already, but I'm here not quite 24 hours later and I have not refreshed any synapses by reading the other posts in detail today... so what sticks out in my mind is JohnnyNewYork's frying me by having that deck back in new deck order -- I have no way to explain it but returning to NDO ALWAYS just shocks me. The other was Mike Powers Matrix with the Copper/Silver/Brass -- wow -- how cool is THAT?

Fun stuff all around -- kinda gearing myself up to get a camera so I can join in the fun my own darn self.

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Johnny's routine was definitely a standout. I was expecting a color separation, so the new deck order was a shocker! I think Sankey had used the Slop Shuffle to get a color separation in one of his routines. Could be someone else, though?? Memory...

One thought I had regarding the Slop Shuffle is this: Most of the time I see people keeping the deck in dealing position in the left hand and using the right hand to alternately turn palm up and them palm down, taking groups of cards. I think it would be more deceptive to also turn the hand holding the deck to palm downward during the "shuffling." In other words, both hands would be turning palm up and palm down at different times. It looks more sloppy and deceptive IMO. When you turn the dealing hand palm downward, you must have already pushed off the proper group of cards to take with the right hand. Just make sure that the colors pushed off go to the proper side in the right hand. Try this if you do the Slop Shuffle. I think it's more deceptive.

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Using a slop shuffle to get a color separation is taught in the "Sundry Sleights" chapter of Expert Card Technique. Martin Nash did it on his first Videonics tape, too.

I know I've seen someone doing the slop shuffle with both hands turning. For some reason, I'm thinking it might have been Woody Aragon.
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The "both hands turning" is likely an old idea. It's a pretty obvious addition/improvement. It may be that the original slop shuffle was described that way. 

Denis Behr's archive has this: SLOP SHUFFLE

Ralph Hull is the earliest reference - 1932
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One thought I had regarding the Slop Shuffle is this: Most of the time I see people keeping the deck in dealing position in the left hand and using the right hand to alternately turn palm up and them palm down, taking groups of cards. I think it would be more deceptive to also turn the hand holding the deck to palm downward during the "shuffling." In other words, both hands would be turning palm up and palm down at different times. It looks more sloppy and deceptive IMO. When you turn the dealing hand palm downward, you must have already pushed off the proper group of cards to take with the right hand. Just make sure that the colors pushed off go to the proper side in the right hand. Try this if you do the Slop Shuffle. I think it's more deceptive.



Interesting idea, Mike, and you're right; it does look sloppier and more deceptive. "But,' I'm thinking to myself, 'what about when you have controlled a card to the bottom to reveal it ala Triumph?" So I fiddled around for a few, and determined that a Half Pass of the bottom card before starting the Slop Shuffle was the remedy. By the time you turn the left hand palm downward for the first time, the discrepant reversed bottom card seems perfectly normal and flies right by. Or at least it seemed that way to me. Thoughts?

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Wow - sounds like I missed an amazing session!  On the other hand, there was this compensation:

DSC_5807.-NEF.jpg 

... a different kind of magic!

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 Good solution to a problem I hadn't noticed until you solved it! You're right. I hadn't been thinking of the Triumph aspect, just the slop shuffle itself. You do have to end up with the selection reversed. I was just trying to make the shuffle look more random and deceptive. 


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Hi Fellas,

I sent out the recording of the session to those who attended.
The password is TMF

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Hello Rudy,

                When I hit the link for the session I get a message saying "can't find the page"
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FYI, all: Luis has sent Rudy a message about the corrupted link. I'm guess he'll send out a new email with a corrected link as soon as he's able.

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Hi Michael,

thank you very much for pointing me in that direction!

Very interesting, in my version the routine isn´t dedicated to U.F.Grant, no-one is mentioned there but it is a very solid method..and by reading through the Encyclopedia ones again (after a looong period!!) I found an very interesting version of ACAAn, too. So, your hint has been very helpful, thank you for that again!

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For those that participated, I wanted to jump in and say something about Gareth's presentation of the ring on ribbon.  First of all, great job Gareth!  It looked great.  I've been doing it for a long, long time.  It is likely among the first dozen tricks I learned.  I was shown the "work" by Harry Monteith.  He taught that along with several other "penetration" effects with ropes, one of which I will probably share on the next Saturday Session.  But getting back to the routine, if you are concerned about how much time you take fidgeting underneath the hanky, this is a perfect time to use the concept of breaking an action up into parts.  So in this example, let's say that you show the ribbon, lay it out and then lay the hanky over it.  You then borrow the ring and place it under the hanky.  You take this moment to work the loop through the ring.  So now you are half-way home.  Then, you hand out the pin for examination.  You open it and then go under the hanky and quickly secure it onto the ribbon.  Again, it takes just a second.  Before coming out, enlarge the "loop" just a bit so that you can find it easily.  It gives you a bigger "target" to hit.  Any time you can do that, it allows for a "less studied" handling, more casual and they will be caught off-guard.

So try it in stages and see if that helps streamline things.  Personally, I use a piece of white cotton magician's rope and not the ribbon, but it doesn't matter.  The pin I use is a Jerry Andrus pin from his linking pins.  I sometimes will do the linking pin routine along with the ring on rope, but often I don't.

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Jim, I loved your coin routine and yes, Paul Harris had an effect with the "one behind" principle.  The interesting point of that endeavor was that the one hand remains in a fist all the way until the end of the effect.  As Gareth pointed out, it was P.D.Q. Coins Across from Super Magic.

Also, the bitcoins can be bought very cheaply on eBay.  I don't own any, but they look very similar to the Sans Minds version but are way cheaper.  They also have multiple finishes so color changes are possible.

Here's one example, 10 for 10 bucks...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Pcs-Gold-Bitcoin-Commemorative-2019-New-Collectors-Gold-Plated-Bit-Coin/153585853194?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item23c26e230a:g:adMAAOSw-xhdP15R&enc=AQAEAAACQBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qWSbf1dYdZ%2FwjpvFVdBvOudH4YIrCUDFMNVsXM%2FWEAtAvkTp4vLovh0hrbHy3F5JalHrXJL%2BmaSz3X9Bz5TExZ4AEkc6TS7qzACbPYfdk03COeaFnijzek%2Fwsxumms%2FJ68YuSqwf%2FKeAu606ZL4Al1VSRic07YcP3JhZ3Xt4S1zkLJug%2F%2FveVOZJWovaF8KbQ6DK8RUTB5pjicgfC9NfO8pVbDYXXpCdP73qN09yt4hC4Q2Pz22oJruxRR127HxCzImaHL163eXiQgKbRFuM0nNqmtcB%2BrvTL0oqW6nm01uXSsRtdXFKgl7lhsjOtwSm44IXEUUx7rfteJAszguAIJH%2BPPXUNES56xhZLRsrXm2%2F0vNG%2Bb5djxLnufAk6sm38pxelPpIy%2FyziGsu1k7D6nZe1ChFNME1JswZBZKTEf8ZsUc6na8g7OmbHSv7Hc%2FqJE42yiU2xzj149GJvutyWj4WPLFbl%2BY%2F4Ra4KiFYMbpLq52AKBnFYXl2weS9DXrlUhWUmG8L3TbMeg3yCKns9o1P0bRbpHuCYriExLYKzspbIa7PEyCGn4xmW%2F3JS2lGLqQC6W2hpE48lIcUvkXXVrjZuGq1n8BHSDlWd5KRsaICJATGuv%2BrQUIct6%2BQkpbmVCymluCWzDHuccFFhxHSpfvoLwlBJHE3UToaA0COfPXOLwoDVNR9kH36jLMEfkSfIlyEDJE68hi2oXvmULGFuitYUtXTnk7Omf1c4DJmPwQ5w%3D%3D&checksum=15358585319432c8e9cc64c94e3183da42131f522367

I thought your story line was perfect and it gets people thinking about banks and "physical" money versus crypto-currency, which is still a new concept to many.
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As far as the Slop Shuffle. Take a look at Fair and Sloppy by Ron Bauer performed by Tom Gaddis

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I have another reference for the peek demonstrated by Johnny New York. Arthur Buckley 'Card Control' page 34 in my copy, 'Sighting After The Peek'.
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