Sign up Latest Topics Chat
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment  
EVILDAN

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,783
Reply with quote  #1 
I’ve been a little scarce lately. I wrote a book. It’s more of a booklet really. I’ve been performing the chop cup for close to 40 years. Recently I heard one of the tattooed YouTube magicians blow it off like it’s such an obvious trick. I have to admit, the way a lot of people perform it, it IS pretty easy to figure out. And those are my pet peeves. There are only a few but they are key between building a routine that can stand repetition in front of the same crowd and one that is easily figured out. It also includes my core routine which I battled myself as to whether to include it or not . But it’s not much of a book without it. So it’s there and I explain why I do what I do when I do it.

It’s a quick read. I sincerely hope it makes your chop cup into a winner.

Check it out here. It’s only $9.95. I’m very interested to hear your thoughts about it.

https://www.lybrary.com/slam-and-other-pet-peeves-about-the-chop-cup-p-923234.html

Attached Images
Click image for larger version - Name: 21341A52-9668-4628-B42C-0952B1CA5A41.png, Views: 4, Size: 27.08 KB 

0
RayJ

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,281
Reply with quote  #2 
Good luck with your book!  Yes, many chop cup routines are less than mysterious.  One of the things that can be done is to adjust your props in order to eliminate the need to slam too much.  I know I've seen magicians that slammed the cup down so hard that the ball dislodged and then re-attached itself!
0
Waterman

Avatar / Picture

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 593
Reply with quote  #3 
Don Alan had a mean SLAM to his chop cup routine. 
0
EVILDAN

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,783
Reply with quote  #4 
I had a small chop cup like that. I couldn’t find a set that would work with it. I wound up selling it.

And thanks. If I could sell 20,000 of them, I could by a new Mustang. 🙂
0
EVILDAN

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,783
Reply with quote  #5 
Regarding Don Alan: I know and that surprised me.
0
PressureFan

Member
Registered:
Posts: 31
Reply with quote  #6 
Don also had a very distinctive move of sharply banging the cup against the edge of the table for the large load.
0
RayJ

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,281
Reply with quote  #7 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PressureFan
Don also had a very distinctive move of sharply banging the cup against the edge of the table for the large load.


Yes he did.  He was also famous for his "hard" loads of ball bearings and such.  There is video of him doing a "Benson Bowl" routine where he produces a huge steel bearing and follows that up with a hat trick where he produces a chrome-plated nut that probably weighed several pounds.  
0
Mike Powers

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,868
Reply with quote  #8 
I use a mini CC that looks like the original Don Alan cup. I have to perform the routine on a close-up pad since on a hard surface, the ball wants to bounce up high enough to get pulled in by the magnet. Not good! Too much downward velocity can cause this problem, perhaps even in a larger cup. Anyone else have this issue?

Mike
0
RayJ

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,281
Reply with quote  #9 
The video...

0
Dave Campbell

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 407
Reply with quote  #10 
Your eBook came up on Lybrary's weekly "Magic newsletter" this morning... hope you have good luck with that toward buying the Mustang!
__________________

-=Dave=-
0
EVILDAN

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,783
Reply with quote  #11 
Mike, there’s a mini and a micro. I have both and the micro is just ridiculous. I have a few of the minis as well. For those I think I use a 3/4” ball and it has the right weight where they hang and release just fine. 1/2” is too light.
0
Dave Campbell

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 407
Reply with quote  #12 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EVILDAN
Mike, there’s a mini and a micro. I have both and the micro is just ridiculous. I have a few of the minis as well. For those I think I use a 3/4” ball and it has the right weight where they hang and release just fine. 1/2” is too light.


Meir Yedid has a Steven Schneiderman set (https://www.mymagic.com/p/close-up-magic/ultimate-micro-chop-cup-kit-steven-schneiderman) that I've looked at a few times...

He's calling that a mini -- as someone intimately familiar with the genre, would you say that at 1.75 inches that's a mini? -- seems pretty darn small.

__________________

-=Dave=-
0
RayJ

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,281
Reply with quote  #13 
I think the micro is too small. Dennis Loomis used to promote them. I have a mini Don Alan original RNT and it rocks. Can fit a golfball load.
0
EVILDAN

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,783
Reply with quote  #14 
Ray J, if you want something quieter you can buy a superball at the coin machines when leaving the supermarket.
0
MagicTK

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 289
Reply with quote  #15 
I bought a RNT brushed aluminum shot glass size cup with an adjustable ball.  I like it a lot, but haven't practiced enough yet to perform a routine with it.  When adjusted to my liking, it holds well, but also releases with little effort when needed, making it feel natural enough, without slamming.

I also came up with an idea back in 2001 I call Film Chop.  This is a rough prototype version from back then.  The final version is more clean cut.
I should have put it on the market back then.  Now with digital, fewer people even know what these canisters are.  The final load(s) would be full 35mm rolls.
Maybe still a niche market?  
0520192152~01.jpg  0520192153_HDR~01.jpg  Tom

0
Senor Fabuloso

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 189
Reply with quote  #16 
Dave

I really like Steven Schneiderman set and for the price it seems reasonable. Instead of the balls supplied, I'd probably go with some rolled up cocktail napkins with the hidden something inside.

MagicTK

I remember when "Fotomat" were everywhere. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fotomat And you could get as many 35mm canisters as you wanted for free. Many people would use them for holding a particular natural substance, today used for medicinal purposes. I could see having used your creation back then. It's a good idea and with the right presentation, could still work.

__________________
"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." ( A lesson from childhood often missed or ignored.) Your opinion, may be met with one of equal disdain?
0
Dave Campbell

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 407
Reply with quote  #17 
Thanks Senor...

Was just a tad concerned about the size... but then those film canisters look very cool... I still have a couple around here I think.

__________________

-=Dave=-
0
RayJ

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,281
Reply with quote  #18 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EVILDAN
Ray J, if you want something quieter you can buy a superball at the coin machines when leaving the supermarket.


I was using golfball as a size reference.  I actually use the crocheted load balls.  And depending on the show, I produce a stack of coins as an added surprise.
0
EVILDAN

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,783
Reply with quote  #19 
Well, someone gave it a bad 1 star review on lybrary.com.
Buyer beware. Hopefully someone that bought it found it helpful.
0
magicfish

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,374
Reply with quote  #20 
The good thing about the internet is it gives everyone a voice. The bad thing about the internet is it gives everyone a voice.
- Harry Lorayne

I wouldn't worry about it Dan.
Thank you for contributing your routine to the literature.
0
EVILDAN

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,783
Reply with quote  #21 
Thanks magicfish. I didn’t really understand his point about me using a Don Alan model chop cup, not liking the slam, and the fact he calls Don Alan king of the slam or something to that effect. Maybe they didn’t have the balls we have today. Maybe he had to slam. Maybe if he had a choice he wouldn’t have slammed. Anyway, the routine is out there and I’ve performed it to repeat crowds. I know it works. I know the key points of misdirection in it. It’s a solid routine. If I thought it was garbage I wouldn’t have put it out. But I wasn’t going to give it away for nothing either. This routine has made and continues to make me money.

Ok, time for bed.
0
Anthony Vinson

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member - Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 2,425
Reply with quote  #22 
Yeah, don't sweat it, Evil One. It's an opinion. I do understand it's difficult to process a lousy review after pouring so much heart into the project, but hold out for a couple of positives to balance things out!

FWIW, I didn't understand his points about your using a Don Alan cup and not liking the slam either. Perhaps he's the one confused?!

Av
0
Intensely Magic

Avatar / Picture

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 471
Reply with quote  #23 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EVILDAN
Well, someone gave it a bad 1 star review on lybrary.com.
Buyer beware. Hopefully someone that bought it found it helpful.


That was a bizarre review. I haven't got your book  yet, but if it is of the quality of the coin board effort, I'm sure it will be very worthwhile and practical.

I will say, the choice of "Pet Peeves" in the title sets you up for a certain expectations, based on the readers perspective.

As you have stated, the objection to you using a Don Alan cup is totally nonsensical.

Good luck with it......

__________________
There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact. Arthur Conan Doyle

0
EVILDAN

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,783
Reply with quote  #24 
It’s a much shorter book. A few key points why I think most chop cup routines fail and then my main routine. The routine stands repetition. I perform it constantly at festivals and some watch 2, 3, 4 or even more times. Then they come over and tell me they watched “x” amount of times and still can’t figure it out. It’s nothing earth shattering. It’s not rocket science. It just a common sense approach to what works and what doesn’t after performing this for a great many years. The coin board book is a lot more detail. The chop cup book assumes you already perform it to some extent.

I don’t want anyone else to feel they got ripped off so if you have any questions please ask.
0
Intensely Magic

Avatar / Picture

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 471
Reply with quote  #25 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EVILDAN
It’s a much shorter book. A few key points why I think most chop cup routines fail and then my main routine. The routine stands repetition. I perform it constantly at festivals and some watch 2, 3, 4 or even more times. Then they come over and tell me they watched “x” amount of times and still can’t figure it out. It’s nothing earth shattering. It’s not rocket science. It just a common sense approach to what works and what doesn’t after performing this for a great many years. The coin board book is a lot more detail. The chop cup book assumes you already perform it to some extent.

I don’t want anyone else to feel they got ripped off so if you have any questions please ask.


Evil One,

Is it "in the hands"?

__________________
There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact. Arthur Conan Doyle

0
EVILDAN

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,783
Reply with quote  #26 
If you’re asking if the routine is done in the hands, no it is not. It’s performed with a table standing up. I prefer the InsTand brand table. It’s light, sturdy and has a thin top that screams there is no way anything is hidden in that table.
0
EVILDAN

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,783
Reply with quote  #27 
I do have one that is in the hands for a mini chop cup, but it’s still a works in progress. I’m not happy with the ending yet.
0
RayJ

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,281
Reply with quote  #28 

http://www.stevebeam.com/snider-john-pockety-chop-1975/

I copied this because of the discussion above regarding "in the hands" routines.  I own a copy of this manuscript, having bought it directly from John Snider back when he ran a magic shop in north St. Louis county.  John was very kind to me and helped me with several routines that I was working on at the time (mainly manipulation routines).

There are a couple of "in the hands" moves included in the publication.

John has several cool ideas in the booklet that are worth looking at.  One is a final load procedure where you reveal a loose stack of coins, say 25 half dollars or so.  I used to perform it a great deal.  I would then go into a coin routine.  It was easy to palm out an "extra" coin as I was putting the rest away.  


0
Mike Powers

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,868
Reply with quote  #29 
Wow! Pockety Chop still exists! I got this item from Tom Zoss from South Bend Indiana when I was just getting into magic. I think he sold it with the set of balls needed. I may even have gotten the mini chop cup from him. It's a really cool routine with color changes and perhaps a size change?? I think there was a size change before the final load?

Definitely worth a look.

Mike


0
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Easily create a Forum Website with Website Toolbox.