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Since this pandemic started there have been a lot of bad things. (Not having an audience is sure one of them [redface]) But some good stuff has happened as well.
I have attended over 7 different Ring meetings around the US.(I'm hoping to visit more) I get to session with many friends weekly even though they live a long way from me. I have attended the Magicians Forum Live 2 (sorry I missed the first one) and yesterday the T.A.O.M. Next weekend I plan to attend the M.A.E.S convention as well.
So my question is - do you think some of this will remain after the covid thing ends?  I love going to conventions and sessioning with friends but this zoom thing allows me to session with people I may never meet in person from all over the world and go to Rings and Conventions I might never get to visit otherwise. It is fascinating and as we get better with the technology the sessions and shows get better.

So what do you think?  Will someone put on virtual conventions after covid or will everything go back the way it was?


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I think it will continue but not as much. And not as much in the beginning as people will be trying to experience the prepandemic life style.
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And if it continues, most likely you will have to pay for many of those events, unlike now that we don't pay for most of them...
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I was just made aware of this https://unconventional.fun/ and I do hope this continues after the pandemic because it is an excellent idea. I don't think it's a replacement for live conventions but it can be a great option for those who aren't able to travel as much.
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I think as more folks become comfortable with the technology, its use will increase. We just got back from vacation and we "attended" a class on the drive. Then, as soon as we got home, my wife joined a Zoom baby shower. We had another scheduled for this evening but it was cancelled due to lack of attendance associated with the holiday.

Companies report good and bad results from employees working from home. Zoom meetings help them communicate and stay connected, but productivity in some quarters has fallen sharply. Not everyone can work from home where distractions take their toll.

We've had FaceTime and Skype for a long time yet their popularity was so-so. I don't use them so I don't know if that is because of some inherent limitations.

Zoom will continue on until something shinier replaces it.
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The world of work will be forever changed by what we're going through when it's over. That's my prediction. 

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The world of work will be forever changed by what we're going through when it's over. That's my prediction. 

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There's no doubt many companies have realized cost savings as a result of the pandemic. They may never return to business as usual. The ones I feel sorry for are the small businesses that have gone under.
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The world has already changed forever, with benefits and losses, with, of course, the loss of life being absolute top of the shitlist.

One of the minor benefits is the Zoom situation. To me it's a bit like the video screens at conventions----useful, but no substitute for live action.

I agree they will stick around, but as an adjunct, never a total alternative.

As already noted, when "real" fees are charged, people with likely think twice. At least.

Here's something from the ever-money-conscious Mark Leveridge. It's the second blog on the list.

https://www.markleveridge.co.uk/blog/
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This is a very interesting topic. I read Mark Leveridge's blog and was surprised to find out that some magic club expects to get a magic lecture for free!

Here in Latin America we are having quite a few guys organizing lectures and I have done some and they always pay. More often it is a percentage (up to 70%) of what the individual magicians pay to watch the lecture. Prices go from 15 to 20 dollars. One guy in Mexico rounded up about 5 or 6 lecturers and sold the whole package for 50 dollars. All these organizers have their own audiences or circle in which they move and attendance is usually between 25 and 40 paying magicians. This weekend I did a lecture for a couple of organizers in Argentina at 15 dollars per viewer. We had 30 so they made 450 dollars and paid me 315. I have done others wjere I got less (it depends on the number of attendees) but never so little that it wasn't worth my time. Over here lectures always pay.

Right now I have a guy in Spain selling my Zoom lecture to clubs over there. Of course for these we are charging half the regular fee (regular fee = 300 dollars, half = 150 dollars) but the advantage here is that you're working from home and can do one every day. I split with him 70-30 so I get 100 dollars for each, which, again, is not bad doing one every day from my own home. Besides there is the stuff you sell at the lecture.

Mark Leveridge points out in his blog that you can't sell physical props. Well, I can't speak for myself because I only sell digital books but I have friends who don't have any trouble selling physical tricks at their Zoom lectures. Remember: the post office still exists! This is how buying and selling has been done for decades: the pay, you go to the post office and mail it to them.

That's how things are over here in Latin America.
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The problem at the moment is that there are several people doing lectures at no cost. I have watched over a dozen lectures recently that were no charge. Some were bad, some were mostly dealer demos, and some were excellent. It is hard for a magician to charge for a lecture when there are many going for no cost. It is difficult to tell members of a club that the next lecture will be $10 when they know that tomorrow someone is doing a lecture for free.

Now I know these are unusual times. Some of these lectures are local club members that never do paid lectures. Others are those that are donating back to the community because of the current circumstance. Still others are just trying to increase sales of their products. It is, after all, a difficult time for many.

In the long haul we will have to go back to a pay for lecture model. However, in a world of video, lecturers may have to find new ways to differentiate their lecture from the last one they did or from their video products. There will have to be a reason to tune in rather than just watch the person on their DVD. Those performers that can master that will, I think, thrive in a Zoom world.



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The problem at the moment is that there are several people doing lectures at no cost. I have watched over a dozen lectures recently that were no charge. Some were bad, some were mostly dealer demos, and some were excellent. It is hard for a magician to charge for a lecture when there are many going for no cost. It is difficult to tell members of a club that the next lecture will be $10 when they know that tomorrow someone is doing a lecture for free.

Now I know these are unusual times. Some of these lectures are local club members that never do paid lectures. Others are those that are donating back to the community because of the current circumstance. Still others are just trying to increase sales of their products. It is, after all, a difficult time for many.

In the long haul we will have to go back to a pay for lecture model. However, in a world of video, lecturers may have to find new ways to differentiate their lecture from the last one they did or from their video products. There will have to be a reason to tune in rather than just watch the person on their DVD. Those performers that can master that will, I think, thrive in a Zoom world.





I guess every situation is different and we don't know the economics of each performer.  In other words, some are probably doing very well in this environment because people are at home and wanting to learn new stuff and buy props, books, videos, etc.

The ones I worry about are those whose entire income is dependent upon performing.  I cannot even imagine how stressful this must be.

I would think that even if they did a free lecture, the sponsor would want to suggest that folks pony up something for the presenter.  Every little bit helps.

Many of the lecturers on the recent TMF events have offered generous discounts on their products.  Hopefully folks that are in a financial condition to do so, took advantage of the deals and helped the lecturers gain some income.

Glad you brought this topic up Marv.
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Interesting timing.  Zoom went down today apparently and service was lost to a lot of people.  
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