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Rick Holcombe

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I thought some might find this information helpful. Of course there are many resources out there to learn from. Here I just offer a few tips and touches and even a little "nugget".

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Minor points make all the difference. Your thoughts on the ROV vanish are good. And as for the French Drop, many no longer use it because they cannot do it deceptively. You demonstrate how to do it casually and eliminate the "move" look. Good stuff.
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Rick, you're a very clear communicator. Love the line/ my new mantra: "Looseness is key". I've got a lot of 'delearning' with the FD, particularly with the thumb, but just following along with you, it 'feels' so much more natural. Now to the mirror! Stay loose, bro.
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Another great video with golden information. Thank you Rick!
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Very nice, clear instructions.

Thanks for sharing this with us.

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Great tips on some classic coin magic. I'm going to need to work on this. 
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I was messing around with the wrist turn Rick describes in conjunction with the ROV, and I like it.  I have always done the  "pull-back" method as described by David Roth.  So what I experimented with is starting with the coin on the right fingertips, thumb in the air.  As I move the RH towards the left, The hand begins to rotate towards myself, the thumb naturally coming down to keep it from falling.  Then as the coin just barely touches the left palm, I rotate away from my body as suggested by Rick.  So if you think about it, there is a nice, smooth rhythm to it, you begin relaxed, the hand rolls towards you, then rolls away from you back almost to the same posture as it began.  There is a certain symmetry to it.  

Give it a try.
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Thank you guys so much! I'm glad you're getting inspired by these tips.

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I don't even do any could magic yet and I enjoy watching the videos.
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A retention vanish is like a baseball swing. If you analyze all the great hitters in the majors, no two swing the bat alike. However, they all improved their technique through sound tips and advice which eventually got them to Cooperstown.

Rick's tips have helped me (I'm going to cop an ego here and say that I have a pretty darn good retention vanish with just about any small object ranging from coins to dice) become aware of subtleties that have made a difference in how I approach ROV moves.

I also want to add that I have used the French Drop since I was in 8th grade. It fooled people back then and it fools today. Please don't dismiss it as a beginner's move!!! 
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Wow! I'm glad this has been helpful for you guys!
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I also want to add that I have used the French Drop since I was in 8th grade. It fooled people back then and it fools today. Please don't dismiss it as a beginner's move!!! 


I agree. So do Gary Ouellet - see Closeup Illusions - and Jeff Copeland - see Tresor - among others. It's a wonderful move with myriad possibilities. I think the problem is that it is taught in every basic magic text as a beginner's move. That sets up a silly presupposition. Or is that an oxymoron?! [biggrin] 

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I agree. So do Gary Ouellet - see Closeup Illusions - and Jeff Copeland - see Tresor - among others. It's a wonderful move with myriad possibilities. I think the problem is that it is taught in every basic magic text as a beginner's move. That sets up a silly presupposition. Or is that an oxymoron?! [biggrin] 

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The issue is not with the French Drop, it is with the execution of it.  It's all in the approach.

While a fine move, some magicians do a poor job with the timing of it and don't understand all of the "extra touches" that make it deceptive.

First of all, like Vernon would always ask, "How do you get into it?".  I've seen magicians pick up the coin with their left hand, place it into "French Drop Position" in their left only to then appear to grab it with their LH again.  Not good.

If they want to do it that way, there are ways to cover it, such as passing the coin from left to right in order to show the coin to someone on your right.  It motivates the transfer.  But that isn't what you see.  

No matter what the move, magic has to make some sense.  Or should.

The refinements of the French Drop should be studied with an eye towards economy of motion and naturalness.

As I said above...

"And as for the French Drop, many no longer use it because they cannot do it deceptively. You demonstrate how to do it casually and eliminate the "move" look. Good stuff."
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And isn't that what I said in so many words?

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And isn't that what I said in so many words?

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Yes, but sometimes I think it helps to flesh things out a bit.  Otherwise topics will have a couple of replies and then they peter out.  Examples are all over this and other forums.  Topics that should generate much more comment just fizzle.

I also sensed (perhaps incorrectly) that perhaps some thought I was criticizing the French Drop.  I wanted to make sure that I clarified my position as I use the move myself.

Done properly it is awesome.
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I thought some might find this information helpful. Of course there are many resources out there to learn from. Here I just offer a few tips and touches and even a little "nugget".

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Thank you for sharing the coin turn and retention, I have since started practicing this. It's challenging to resist pulling back the coin, but the rewards are worth it.
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