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Here's Kent Gunn's take on one of Harry's effects.  

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That's pretty smooth Tom..I like it.
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Congratulations, it looks wonderful!
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   Full title is Stabbed In The Pack.
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Anybody else smell a gimmicked deck?
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     Can only speak for my original Stabbed In The Pack ... that's an any deck, impromptu, effect.
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Anybody else smell a gimmicked deck?


I watched the video after reading your comment... I have no idea other than he uses a svengali deck?

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     Can only speak for my original Stabbed In The Pack ... that's an any deck, impromptu, effect.


It's a great trick Harry, that I have done ever since it came out.

I think he references your trick as a throw off, though.

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Second the motion for a Svengali deck. Otherwise WTF?

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Svengali, or some hybrid thereof. The way the cards are displayed/held certainly leads in that direction. That said, man that's one nice looking effect! 
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    I just want to be sure it's understood - my basic concept was/is the tossing of the card into the shuffled deck - and making it appear as if the card is thrown from a foot or more away from the tabled deck. And, most important, that I've always used it/done it with ANY deck, mostly borrowed decks, since I haven't carried my own deck for a couple of decades. I taught it all those decades ago as an impromptu, any time, any deck, effect. How others use my basic idea is something that I obviously can't control.
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Harry performed and taught this at his lecture for International Magic in London... I used to have this lecture on VHS tape years ago and it was full of great magic, obviously [smile]
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Harry's is impromptu. But a gaffed deck leads to a squeaky clean handling. Trade offs.

The same tossing action is used. So practice up. It's a great effect.

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Kent posted this on the Genii forum today.
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I don't know why more people don't listen to Brad. He's awfully smart. I think he was the first to catch on to where my third false path led. I've done this trick for:

Tom Gagnon and a bunch of the folks at the last MagiFest. 

You can buy the hybrid deck being discussed from Penguin Magic. It's Brent Braun's 

POSITION IMPOSSIBLE

Great combination of hybrid stuffies.

But . . .

I do the trick with a borrowed effing deck. The video you watched did NOT use Brent's deck. The index displays were red herrings. I think I flash the real 2H index in the video. If you must know how I did the trick. Which is DONE WITH A BORROWED DECK. See the upcoming issue of Channel One, since they asked me before Richard did.

Brad still gets full points, because he's a smart guy and Brent's deck is a solution I had explored.

Hugs, kids.

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Is there a new issue of Channel 1 coming out? Cool.

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  The original handling I teach is pretty "squeaky clean." At least it always has appeared so for my audiences all over the world - for decades. And is done with THEIR DECK. To me, that make all the difference in the world. But, as usual, to each his own.
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So, "The index displays were red herrings." Both gobsmacked and fooled the hell out of me with those fine little fishies then...
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Excellent!! Fooled the heck out of me.

I love the way that he honors Harry.  

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I thought it was a gaff as well, but apparently that was a red herring. I use to play with this concept and I know you can get pretty consistent at hitting the same spot over and over again, at least within a few cards. Now I need the Classic Collection... 
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I've used this classic for twenty years with the following tweak.... Instead of throwing the card into the deck I snap the card into the deck. I set the card down on the table a foot or so in front of the deck and then snap my fingers just hitting the outer left corner of the single card. On a soft surface you can catch the card on the downswing of the snap to get the card to rise just a touch and on a hard surface I just give the card a very slight lengthwise concave bend. Everything else is straight up HL.
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Strange...before I happened upon this thread I was reading, "The Best of Benzais" by J. Benzais.

In his book, Mr. Benzais shares his version of "Stabbed in the Pack" along with some interesting correspondence between Steve Trott, Bill Madson, Tony Shiels, and of course Harry Lorayne.

It's fun to reads their letters of correspondence regarding the nuances of this great effect...thanks to Tom G. for sharing it!
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   The one problem with that is that you lose the "idea" of being far away from the deck when you "toss." But, sure, that's fine.  
 
       For the few who've asked...what I used to do is my The Lorayne Card Spin, shooting the card 3/4 feet into the air. A "subconscious lock-in." I'd catch that card, table the deck and start my Stabbed In The Pack standing a few feet away from the deck. All just a bit of acting. Point is, people thought I tossed the card from a few feet away from the deck - and as I've written hundreds of times - people aren't fooled by what they see, they're fooled by what they think they see!
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   Johnny B. thought I was doing "estimation" - he was fooled by my ending "reveal."
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Kent posted again regarding "gaffed/non-gaffed." He seemed to be saying that he posted the wrong video?? And validating the gaffed deck concept e.g. Svengali, Monte Christo et al. So it seems that we're back to the notion that a gaffed deck was used on the video under discussion. 

Sorry for creating confusion, but Kent seemed to be saying "Hey - not gaffed." Then, later, he seems to be recanting.... 

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That's odd. Doesn't he say non gaffed in the video? Oh well, thanks for "confirming" earlier suspicions.

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Hello everyone!  Awhile back a friend of mine borrowed MY cards (standard 52 deck) and performed this routine (as described/published by Harry Lorayne) and the effect received great reactions -- no doubt a very powerful routine just the way it is -- especially with a borrowed deck!  I must admit, however, that the original clip posted sure fooled me (I'm secretly hoping it DID involve a gaffed deck!).  Great thing about magic, there's usually more than one way to skin the cat!  johnny
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I agree, odd thing to do. 
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Kent posted again regarding "gaffed/non-gaffed." He seemed to be saying that he posted the wrong video?? And validating the gaffed deck concept e.g. Svengali, Monte Christo et al. So it seems that we're back to the notion that a gaffed deck was used on the video under discussion........

Mike


Thanks, Mike, I feel better. After all these years, unless your name is Del Ray, do I admit to being fooled that badly.

I know there are many reasons to work, primarily gaffless - prefer it myself, but it is an exceedingly rare trick that doesn't "look" better in a gaffed version. This is especially true with coins.

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Thanks. Mike. That's relief. I mean, I like being fooled by a great trick, but to imagine he'd performed that one gaffless... Well, this mind boggled.
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I think it was Bob Little who said, "If a magician is fooled by a trick, it's one or more of: IT, gaffed cards or magnets." I think this is largely true.

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Thanks Harry and Tommy for highlighting "Stabbed in the Pack". Lorayne at his absolute best. Maximum bang for your buck. I completely agree with Mr Gunn 'Classic Collection' is an utter treasure chest.
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Nice effect.
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