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Hi folks [smile]

I rarely do any tricks that require elaborate set-ups, usually only performing ones that can be done on the fly with one or two cards arranged under the nose of the audience in the midst of shuffling or doing other tricks etc.

When I do have the luxury of being able to use a pre-arranged deck, my go-to set-up tricks are: Chicago opener and Further than That.

But I'm thinking of expanding my repertoire in terms of set-ups, since they seem to be able to offer some good extra punch and variety for relatively little extra effort or skill.

So, do you have any cool recommendations to throw my way? [smile].

I'm not interested in whole deck arrangements (like Sam the Bell Hop), nor mem-decks (like Aronson), nor in stuff that could be done with an on-the-fly set-up (like Pre-Prefiguration).

Ideas? [smile]
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     You might just want to check out a few of my books - in JAW DROPPERS 1 (sold out) I teach how to set even up to half a deck on the fly - "impromptuly"  - and I also teach it in JAW DROPPERS TWO. Plus killer effects like Blown Further Away (in JD1) and many more. Ya' gotta' start reading the good stuff!!
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Harry Lorayne's Gambler vs Magician comes to mind..and his Spectator Cuts The Aces.
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Harry Lorayne's Gambler vs Magician comes to mind..and his Spectator Cuts The Aces.


I agree! His poker deal is good too! You can do that on the spot. These can be found in his best ever dvd's.
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I'm not interested in whole deck arrangements (like Sam the Bell Hop), nor mem-decks (like Aronson), nor in stuff that could be done with an on-the-fly set-up (like Pre-Prefiguration). Ideas? [smile]


Chris, we are going to have to move this post because you wrote it here in a thread about a book (In Order to Amaze) which deals with mem-decks and set-ups...

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Oooops! I missed that this sub-forum was specifically about a book! Sorry. Yes, move it the appropriate sub-forum [smile]. Thanks. And thanks for the suggestions so far guys [smile]
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Ok Chris, it has been moved out of the "In Order to Amaze" book topic because you said you are not interested in Mem-deck effects (like Aronson's stack) and that book deals with that stack. 

And now my contribution...

There are many books that have effects with a stacked deck. There is one book that not many people talk about but it is a little gem. All the effects are done with different stacks created by the author. The book is called Stack Attack by L.R. Brooks. You can find it here...

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/921

Read what they say about that book and you might be interested in getting it.


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Cheers for the suggestion luigimar [smile]

I admit to still being a bit confused about what exactly the 'In Order to Amaze' sub-forum is actually about.  I went and double checked the little description and it mentioned nothing about a specific text, and the already existing threads don't indicate that is restricted to a particular book by a particular author???  It seems to be the only sub-forum about a single text.

Also, it seems that there might be some clear overlap between the memorised deck sub-forum and the 'In Order to Amaze' sub-forum - I'm a bit confused, tbh? [smile]
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Another vote for Stack Attack.
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Chris:

The Pit Hartling book came out last year and some people were talking about it so I guess it prompted the creation of the topic. At the beginning the posts were related to the different effects and principles that are talked about within the book (mainly stack/mem-deck work) but as you know, many times one starts talking about a topic and ends up talking about something completely unrelated. I think this is what happened here. 

Here is the book.

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If you are interested (or someone else is), you could try getting a copy, it is still being sold.

http://www.inordertoamaze.com/

Anyway... I think this interesting topic can be seen better here than inside the other thread/topic.



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Cool, luigimar [smile]

It might be a good idea to make it clear in the sub-forum description that this sub-forum is concerned with at book, or to merge it with the memorised deck sub-forum so as to avoid future confusions and thread duplication (why have two sub-forums concerned with whole deck stacks?) [smile]
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I'll see with Rudy what can be done about it because I don't have the power... 

And speaking of powers, one effect I love is by none other than Harry Lorayne himself... It is called Earthly Powers and I learned it a while ago. The set-up is minimal and not so difficult but it has a great impact. You can watch a performance of the effect here: 



I use it sometimes as a way to... (watch the video, I don't want to spoil the surprise) and then I continue with another effect with those cards .





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Nice! [smile]
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Cool, luigimar [smile] It might be a good idea to make it clear in the sub-forum description that this sub-forum is concerned with at book, or to merge it with the memorised deck sub-forum so as to avoid future confusions and thread duplication (why have two sub-forums concerned with whole deck stacks?) [smile]


Hi Chris and Luis,

Sorry for the confusion. I actually didn't intend for "In Order to Amaze" to be a topic concerning the book of the same name. It was merely a title for all things pertaining to magic using cards that are stacked in a particular order.

Maybe I should just change the name for the sake of clarity. I'm open to suggestions.

Rudy

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That makes a lot of sense [smile]

I guess the Memorized Deck sub-forum is where all forms of whole deck stack effects/techniques can be discussed - so both true mem-decks (like Aronson, Mmemonica, Nicola, Reford etc) and other systems/whole deck arrangements (Osterlind, Si Stebbins, 8 Kings, Sam the Bellhop etc).

But I suppose the 'In Order to Amaze' sub-forum was principally designed to discuss arrangements that involved less than the whole deck (such as Further Than That).

There seem three confusion reducing options:

1) That the threads in the 'Order to Amaze' sub-forum which involve whole deck arrangements are re-located en masse to the Memorised Deck sub-forum, and then 'Order to Amaze' re-named and re-described in terms of less than whole deck arrangements.

or

2)  The two sub-forums merged into just the 'Memorized Deck' forum which is re-named and re-described as a sub-forum involving all manner of memorised, cyclical, whole or part deck arrangements.

or

3) Merge the threads in 'Order to Amaze' with the general Card Magic forum and delete the separate sub-forum, just retaining the Memorized Deck sub-forum.

I'd probably go for 2) myself, but I don't know how easy/difficult any of these options are behind the scenes. [smile]

Regardless, thanks for clearing up any confusion [smile]
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Dead Reckoning by John Bannon. It uses a half-deck setup, but it is not a stack.
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