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Hi All. I love card magic but for me it is a hobby. What is the best and easiest stacked deck system to remember and get good effects with? Thank you. Duncan
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If I could go back in time, I would've used Harry Lorayne's memory system to memorize the Si Stebbins stack. You can do lots of great effects without memorizing it, but I believe that with the added benefit of using it as your memorized stack, you could do some incredible things.

Woody Aragon has some great ideas and effects using the Si Stebbins stack on his 4 disk DVD set.

You can get it here...

http://killermagicshop.com/Woodyland-4-DVD-Set-by-Woody-Aragon-and-Luis-De-Matos_p_2107.html

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Thank you for taking the time to reply. You are a real gentleman. I will look that DVD up.
Take care.
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You'll find a category for just that type of question.

http://www.themagiciansforum.com/?forum=500324

You may also want to introduce yourself in the Intro section, that way we can get a little information about your background and such.

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Thank you Dave for that.
I did try to introduce myself the other week but I don't know what happen to my introduction.
Will try again.

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Hi All. I love card magic but for me it is a hobby. What is the best and easiest stacked deck system to remember and get good effects with? Thank you. Duncan


If your not talking about a memorized deck, but a stacked deck, my all-time favorite routine would be Ovation by Martin Nash..it's sometimes called his Castle Act, the ending of the routine looks impossible for a lay audience.

For a memorized deck routine I would say Darwin Ortiz's Maximum Risk from Scams & Fantasies book. There in his book there is a sleight of hand version of the effect too which you must deal a bottom card into one of the packs of cards. If you don't do bottom deals you can do the memorized deck version of this.

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Another vote for Ovation by Martin Nash.It has a brilliant ending and it is all explained on one of videos.
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Thank you Logan Five and Culldavid, I will look them up.
All the best.

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Patrick Redford is about to come out with a book on his stacked deck. It's a very versatile stack. Si Stebbins stack has the distinct disadvantage of being in alternating color order. The Redford Stack does not have this issue. It really looks random. The cool thing is that you can get from Stebbins to Redford through an easy to remember series of overhand runs of cards. Also, you can return to Stebbins by using the exact same sequence. And it's easy to remember. Also, there's an easy way to get to Mirror Stack (Stay Stack).

Finally, there are many built in routines e.g. a poker demo, a blackjack demo, coincidence effects etc. In most cases you can return to stack after the routine has been completed.

I'm going though the book right now and will be writing the Foreword. I have seen Patrick perform a number of the routines. They're excellent. Keep your eyes open for this one. It should be out in the next few months as I understand it.

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Thank you for letting me know about this book.
Will it be available in The UK?

All the best.

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You can find some interesting resources for using the Si Stebbins stack here:
http://www.lybrary.com/advanced_search_result_sphinx.php?keywords=%22si+stebbins%22&search_in_description=1&searchin=

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I'm really bad at remembering memorized decks. I've tried Juan, Simon, Harry and during performance, my mind seems to get too excited during performance to stay focused. Maybe as I age I'll become more focused.

So for me, the easiest stacked deck system is to do any deck switch to get a stacked deck into play - and for me it's usually in new deck order or something similarly very easy to remember (AAAA, 2222, etc). 

When I'm doing a table routine with cards, say 10 effects, I'll likely do 8 deck switches. So switching in 8 stacks for my effects makes it the easiest way to memorize for me.

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Did I understand that correctly?  In a span of 10 effects you do 8 deck switches?!
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If I could go back in time, I would've used Harry Lorayne's memory system to memorize the Si Stebbins stack. You can do lots of great effects without memorizing it, but I believe that with the added benefit of using it as your memorized stack, you could do some incredible things.

Rudy I have to say that I'm a bit bummed you didn't use the words Hacker Stack! [biggrin]

As far as I know, the idea of using Si Stebbins as a Memorized Stack is original with me and was published almost 20 years ago under the name of The Hacker Stack. I've used it for almost 30. The best part is that you can get into it from New Deck order in less than 30 seconds using Darwin Ortiz' Si Stebbins Secret.

I have to admit that this is self-serving post, but my ideas are important to me. I've based a lot of Card Magic on that idea and would hope you'd classify them as doing "some incredible things"!

No ill will here at all, so don't get upset! I am grateful to be here!


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Hi Steven,
Where can I find your work on the Si Stebbins stack?
All the best.

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Hi Duncan,
I hope you don't mind me giving some info about your question. I learned The Hacker Stack, as well as some of Steven's ideas and effects with the Stebbins stack, in his Weapons of Mass Destruction ebook. It's a terrific book but I am not sure if or where it is still available. Hopefully Steven will let us know! Best,
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Hi Steven, Where can I find your work on the Si Stebbins stack? All the best.

I had two sets of Notes and you can still find them for sale occasionally. Here's a link that has both sets available. The Hacker Stack is in Weapons of Mass Destruction. Let me know if you have any questions?

LINKAGE


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Hi Alan and Steven,
Thank you to you both for that information.
I will look it up.

All the best.

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For me, mnemonics just will not work.  There are stacks that run off rules/math, which, for me, is easier.  Joyal, Quickerstack, and Requiem come to mind. Those are card at number and number to card just like a regular mem deck. Like anything they work for some and not others.  
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     Hey Tom G: Don't know if you tried my memory systems. If you did and they don't work FOR YOU - then you are obviously not applying them correctly. Why? 'Cause they MUST work! As they have for millions for decades.
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I have Harry, bought the Memory Book directly from you.  I very well could be applying them incorrectly, but I've tried others too.  It just doesn't click or make any sense to me. But I do much better with a rules/math based system.  I'll revisit your system again.
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Hi.
I find a maths based system a lot easier too.
My memory is not as good as it should be and card magic is a hobby for me.
But if Harry has got an easy system then I will give it a go.

Harry, what would be the best book to get? ( of yours)

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       The Memory Book, Ageless Memory, Page-A-Minute Memory Book (only a paragraph or two devoted to remembering playing cards in this book - but many have told me that that's plenty - the basics are there - and all is taught faster which is the point of that particular book). Go to harryloraynemagic.com you can learn more about them - and others. You can even order from there!
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Thank you for that information Harry.
All the best.

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