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superdayv

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Here is a video of where I'm at with it. Please watch past the second time when I mess it up! 😉

Would love any advice or tips.

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Well you are getting the exchange down. Keep at it and aim for a lighter and lighter touch and minimize finger movement. But the real secret I think is in the moment and the movement. The moment is the most advantageous time where your audience isn't burning you. The movement is the justification for the hands coming together. There are different schools of thought but usually there needs to be some "bigger movement" to cover the exchange.
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I think it will look deceptive if you turn to your right and angle the deck up a bit. Try imagining a person to your right that you turn to talk to. When eye contact happens, you'll find the moment. After the move, leave your hands separated. Often practitioners gesture forward with the left hand just after the exchange. 

RayJ is right in pointing out that your exchange looks like it would work. Try making a video of a full top change to the imaginary person a bit to your right. Pause after it has been completed before doing it again. That would be an attempt to show what it would look like in action.

Gracie Morgan (formerly Steven Youell) has a great little video of him using a top change on a real person. Try to find that. You'll see the subtleties that you'll need to incorporate to make the TC look good.

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Gary Kurtz has some great tips on the top-change - I think the routine is called Hypothetical Possibilities, I remember seeing an International Magic Lecture by him and the psychology he discussed with reference to the top change was awesome...  Eugene Burger also had some thoughts on the Top-Change in Mastering the Art of Magic, and Roberto Giobbi has a chapter on it in Card College Volume one - but the real way to learn is to work it for audiences, this is the only way you really learn how to create, or seize the moment! 
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This thread contains the video Mike was referring to.

https://www.themagiciansforum.com/post/the-top-change-8466206?highlight=top+change
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Practicing the move during a routine will help with timing.
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Thanks all!

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This thread contains the video Mike was referring to.

https://www.themagiciansforum.com/post/the-top-change-8466206?highlight=top+change


I hit a password screen?

Now that I've read a bit more about the sleight I realize that I need some movement to cover it. I wonder if anyone can point me to some resources on that?
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Thanks all!



I hit a password screen?

Now that I've read a bit more about the sleight I realize that I need some movement to cover it. I wonder if anyone can point me to some resources on that?


Sorry, that's because it is behind the password-protected wall.  You don't have enough posts yet to access it.  

I didn't think of that.  Sorry!

As far as top change "actions", there are several, Mike P. mentioned a few ideas.

A number of authors have given their thoughts on possible actions.  I'll try to put together some resources for you.
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You might also like studying how David Williamson execute the TC.
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The important points in Williamson's video are how he holds the RH still, gestures with the LH and the slight "necktying" of the deck. Anyone can do a decent TC by just working on those two actions. Smoothness comes with time and proper grips.
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The important points in Williamson's video are how he holds the RH still, gestures with the LH and the slight "necktying" of the deck. Anyone can do a decent TC by just working on those two actions. Smoothness comes with time and proper grips.


Is this the video you mean?

 

https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/card-magic-downloads/top-change-williamson/

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The important points in Williamson's video are how he holds the RH still, gestures with the LH and the slight "necktying" of the deck. Anyone can do a decent TC by just working on those two actions. Smoothness comes with time and proper grips.


Hi Ray J, I just seen your post. I took the link video down, because been new to the forum, I wasn't sure if it might be considered exposure and don't want to break the rules. If its ok, I'll put the link back.
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Gary Kurtz's technique is interesting. He doesn't push the top card to the right with this left thumb. Instead, he lays his left thumb onto the top card, pretty much fully extended. Then, at the critical moment, he pulls the deck (minus the top card) to the left, leaving the top card sidejogged a bit. This way there's no telltale motion of the left thumb. It's an interesting alternative method.

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Hi Ray J, I just seen your post. I took the link video down, because been new to the forum, I wasn't sure if it might be considered exposure and don't want to break the rules. If its ok, I'll put the link back.


Personally I think it is fine to link it here. But good on you for being careful.
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Is this the video you mean?

 

https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/card-magic-downloads/top-change-williamson/



No, someone showed Dave doing it in the context of a routine. They took it down but may put it up again.
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Top change is the kind of thing you need to do with people in order to know you are doing it well
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How do I get this to be quiet, especially with an older deck?
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In the beginning you want to get the action down as cleanly as possible, no need to worry about the sound, that will change as your proficiency grows.

Both the Classic Pass and the Top Change hold the distinction in the whole pantheon of sleights of being highly individualistic moves.  Kurtz, Williamson, Vernon, Brook, Paul, and many others have offered incredible approaches and insights into the Top Change, but in the end it's on you to learn to adopt it to your personality, standards and needs.  If you stick at it, watch the experts do it, and learn how it fits in to your mannerisms and personality, you will get there.  There is actually quite a lot to learn about the move, I highly recommend you accept that it will take time, as it is worth the effort.
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