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Tom Kracker

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I've been looking for this book for a while, just waiting for the right price.  I had seen some that were in the $150-$225+ range for good condition ones.  Then I had found one on https://www.abebooks.com for $35 but in not so good condition, and they messaged me back saying they actually couldn't find the book anymore.  OK.
Then I found another one on the same site listed for $70 in fair condition.  I was going to get it for that price, but then I just checked earlier this week and they dropped it down to $52.50 + shipping and tax.  Yee haa!
For this price, I think it's in decent condition, but I didn't specifically buy it to be a high-end collector's piece, rather I bought it just to have it.

Well it arrived today!    The main reason I wanted this was because of one of my favorite routines, the "Bullet Trick".  I had learned this routine from my friend Antony Gerard, who had learned as "Sharp Shooter" from Bob Stencel, but can't recall exactly what year.
Who/which/what is the original?  I'm still trying to track down if there is any prior origin to this effect.  I know the book says the original concept came from Ken Krenzel and Peter Kane, whose version appeared in Hugard's Monthly. 

  • Does anyone have that Hugard's Monthly?  Can you either send me me a copy of it or at least tell me the date of that issue, so I can track it down?  Or can at least compare that version to the version in this book?
  • Second question, this book that I bought has Peter Kane autograph.  Can anyone let me know if this looks authentic?  I don't have anything else with his autograph to compare it.
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Excellent purchase Tom. Very good book.

The Kane autograph looks authentic. I have an audio tape of some Kane sessions. I think it's called "A Card Session with Peter Kane. There's a sheet of paper wrapped around the two tapes. I believe there's something that looks handwritten resembling what shows in your book. I'll see if I can dig that item out and verify the signature.

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Hi Tom,

Here's a photo of the Kane item I alluded to above. Looks similar but could just be a font?? 

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I don't have the issue, but I poked around a bit on Conjuring Archive and I'm guessing the Hugard reference is "The Shooting Joker" (Peter Kane, Hugard's Magic Monthly, Vol. 20 No. 8, April 1963).

If you don't mind a PDF:
https://www.lybrary.com/hugards-magic-monthly-volume-20-sep-1962-aug-1963-p-377659.html
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BTW The binding on Super Subtle didn't last on many books.  Million Dollar that came out earlier has held up well, but Super must have been put together a lot more cheaply.
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I don't have the issue, but I poked around a bit on Conjuring Archive and I'm guessing the Hugard reference is "The Shooting Joker" (Peter Kane, Hugard's Magic Monthly, Vol. 20 No. 8, April 1963).

If you don't mind a PDF:
https://www.lybrary.com/hugards-magic-monthly-volume-20-sep-1962-aug-1963-p-377659.html


Thanks Chris.  I downloaded that issue, and it is a different handling with the cards rotated backward over the left hand rather than forward (like a gun), but the concept of flicking the card to make another card fly out is there.  "The Shooting Joker" is a different handling than what's shown in Super Subtle and from what I learned back in 1999.  However, I do like to see the origins and inspiration that lead up to the "Bullet Trick".  It gives me other things to try, even if just for fun.

Now to read the other routines in the book...

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RE: The Bullet Trick -

First of all, it's a favorite of one of my good friends. He always asks me to perform it for his friends. Also, Jon Racherbaumer tells a story about this great trick. He talks about meeting someone he had performed for many years earlier. This person came up to him and said that he had never forgotten a trick that Jon had performed for him long ago. Jon had no memory of this person. The trick was the Bullet trick! The person raved about it and said that it was the best thing he had ever seen. 

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It is a wonderful trick. I almost raised my kids on it. They loved seeing Dad pop that card right out of the deck. Thrilling. Also, so nice to hear about Peter Kane, I have always loved his work and do have his books, going way, way back. Good memories. Thank you, Mike, for sharing the story about Jon Racherbaumer. People do remember certain things more than others, and they do remember this glorious trick. I actually love to credit the creators of tricks during my performances, rather like the great singers crediting the writers of the songs they sing. I think it is respectful and it builds on the fact that one of the most interesting things about magic is the history of magic. It is fascinating.
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I could be wrong, but I thing Roger Curzon also published a version of the Kane effect in some early lecture notes.

Paul Harris published something too, "Machine Gun Aces" in 'Super Magic" (1977) and later included in "The Art of Astonishment Book One" (1996). In that the four aces are shot out of the deck.
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I could be wrong, but I thing Roger Curzon also published a version of the Kane effect in some early lecture notes.

Paul Harris published something too, "Machine Gun Aces" in 'Super Magic" (1977) and later included in "The Art of Astonishment Book One" (1996). In that the four aces are shot out of the deck.


Thanks for that info Paul.

"The Shooting Joker" in the Hugard Monthly mentioned above actually has the 4 aces shoot out in that handling, however they are shot out one at a time with repeating loading the joker. I like just shooting the one card out and be done. Do you know if Paul Harris' routine shoots them all out at the same time? Or one at a time?

I like to do the partial Faro, then riffle and have someone say stop and look at the card, then I use a story line where I ask if they have ever watched old Western movies. I tell them that often there are cowboys playing card games, and often one gets accused of cheating. So... another cowboy brings out a gun. Then I show them the "bullet card" and load it, then the card shoots out. Always gets a great reaction.

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I could be wrong, but I thing Roger Curzon also published a version of the Kane effect in some early lecture notes.


Yes he did, though I can't remember where. He started to concentrate on mentalism some years ago, but he still does cards occasionally. I haven't seen him for a couple of years, so he may have moved back to cards. Whatever, I'll ask next time I see him.

Walt Maddison did a version too, though I can't recall if he ever published it.

I have a feeling that John Mendoza published a version too somewhere, but I could be wrong. I was once.
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Yes he did, though I can't remember where. He started to concentrate on mentalism some years ago, but he still does cards occasionally. I haven't seen him for a couple of years, so he may have moved back to cards. Whatever, I'll ask next time I see him.

Walt Maddison did a version too, though I can't recall if he ever published it.

I have a feeling that John Mendoza published a version too somewhere, but I could be wrong. I was once.


I'll check all of the books I have from Mendoza, but in the meantime I know that Chris Kenner published a routine in a set of lecture notes.  I don't think it make its way into his big book, Out of Control/Totally Out of Control.

Edit:  Found it.  It is actually is from 'Card Cavalcade 3', Jerry Mentzer 1975.  It is called 'Simple Shotgun' and was said to have been inspired by Ken Krenzel's 'The Magic Bullet'.
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Regarding the Mendoza trick: I've got a feeling I'm thinking of the "Computer Deck" or something with a similar name. Not the "Bullet Trick" at all.
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Regarding the Mendoza trick: I've got a feeling I'm thinking of the "Computer Deck" or something with a similar name. Not the "Bullet Trick" at all.


How about 'The Automatic Deck' from 'The Book of John'?  I do that routine and love it.  It involves the Faro, doesn't have to be perfect and a wonderful sliding reveal.

is that the one?
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I do the "Automatic Deck" too. Great routine from Mendoza. The deck seems to deliver the aces in a mechanical way.

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Simon Lovell teaches tricks from the Super Subtle Card Miracles book in his video of the same title.  He includes the Bullet Trick, and might have some discussions about this point as well. 

The DVD is available for around $15 on Amazon - see a review of it here.

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How about 'The Automatic Deck' from 'The Book of John'?  I do that routine and love it.  It involves the Faro, doesn't have to be perfect and a wonderful sliding reveal.

is that the one?


Yep. Well Done!

And I have a feeling that the Walt Maddison thing is a version of the same thing.
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