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Hey Gang,
I am doing some research on “best” versions of Liepzig’s “Sympathetic 13” or the “Sympathetic Cards”.
Which versions do you perform? Which do you deem as “best?”

Personally, I love Paul Wilson’s “Symapthetic Soup” from his “Killers” DVD
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Paul Vigil’s Sympathy for the Devil my go to. Only a normal deck of cards required. Available on Kozmo’s Reel Magic Magazine. His kicker is a killer.
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Unless I'm confusing this with a different concept, Jorg Alexander's gaffed version is excellent.

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The Ontology Project is out of print, but the version there is excellent. I believe there’s a video of Rudy doing this from the pulpit on the forum.
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The Ontology Project is out of print, but the version there is excellent. I believe there’s a video of Rudy doing this from the pulpit on the forum.


Thanks for mentioning this I/M

Here is the version that is on the Ontology Project:



I modified the set up so that I could perform it for a large crowd.

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Jorg's version is called "Sympathetic Ten."

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Jorg's version is called "Sympathetic Ten."

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This is superb. Christian Schenk demoed it in Sydney this year. It’s available from Card-Shark. Thanks Mike.

Watch here.
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There's a version in the Derek Dingle book also.
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Paul Vigil’s Sympathy for the Devil my go to. Only a normal deck of cards required. Available on Kozmo’s Reel Magic Magazine. His kicker is a killer.


Thanks for mentioning that Gareth … went out and looked at it... not sure how I missed that 😉

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I checked out Vigil's "Sympathy..." and it is a great method and very, very well structured effect! It has risen to the top of my Sympathetic Card research tied with Paul Wilson's "Sympathetic Soup". I have also researched the other effects mentioned here, and the gaffed card nature takes them a notch below the others in my opinion. I don't think they are any more impactful than the Wilson or Vigil versions, yet having gaffs and having to very carefully manage sight lines take them from an "A" grade to "A-" (still great, but others are better!).

I've been working on my own version which I will share with the group when ready (if ready!!). It seems to have borrowed bits from many different creators, and ironically, had a kicker ending that was almost identical to Vigil's(!!). I may have to change that though as I do not want to step on Mr. V's toes!
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Also a nice version by Eric Mead, if you search Youtube.
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I checked out Vigil's "Sympathy..." and it is a great method and very, very well structured effect! It has risen to the top of my Sympathetic Card research tied with Paul Wilson's "Sympathetic Soup".....


Paul Vigil's version is covered on a recent Penguin Lecture (the one with Him, Johnny Thompson and Rick Maue). I haven's got any of the other material to compare, but he does a good job explaining it and the performance is, obviously, very well honed.

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Also a nice version by Eric Mead, if you search Youtube.


As always with Eric a wonderful presentation. 

Also I/M thanks for sharing that regarding the penguin lecture with Paul Vigil Johnny Thompson lecture, I'll definitely look that up.

I've use a premise using the story of the Bletchley Park team trying to crack the Enigma machine during WW 2. Have a spectator mixing one packet of cards on stage while the audience attempt to break the code... Happy to share in more detail if anyone is interested via PM  

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I checked out Vigil's "Sympathy..." and it is a great method and very, very well structured effect! It has risen to the top of my Sympathetic Card research tied with Paul Wilson's "Sympathetic Soup". I have also researched the other effects mentioned here, and the gaffed card nature takes them a notch below the others in my opinion. I don't think they are any more impactful than the Wilson or Vigil versions, yet having gaffs and having to very carefully manage sight lines take them from an "A" grade to "A-" (still great, but others are better!).

I've been working on my own version which I will share with the group when ready (if ready!!). It seems to have borrowed bits from many different creators, and ironically, had a kicker ending that was almost identical to Vigil's(!!). I may have to change that though as I do not want to step on Mr. V's toes!


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Thanks, Gareth! Great story line too!
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Although I don’t believe that “thinking like a magician” is necessarily a bad thing, I may be guilty here. While the structure and thinking behind Vigil’s version is brilliant, I keep feeling the reversed card adds an additional dimension. Maybe the kicker ending makes up for it and, of course, no trick cards. I dunno.

Am I overthinking this?

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Thanks for mentioning this I/M

Here is the version that is on the Ontology Project:



I modified the set up so that I could perform it for a large crowd.

Rudy


This stuck with me, because I thought is was a master class in effective "gospel magic". I think the lesson is germain to any teaching situation and you did it very well.

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A bit late to the party, but Bill Malone has a nice version, attributed to Marlo, on one of the Malone on Marlo DVDs from L&L. Ungaffed and relatively sleight-free, as I recall. Haven't checked it out in a good while, but it might be worth looking into. Appropriately enough it's called Leipzig Would've Loved This.

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Yep. It’s a good one, Av. Also check it out in “Marlo Without Tears” by Jon Racherbaumer
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Paul Vigil’s Sympathy for the Devil my go to. Only a normal deck of cards required. Available on Kozmo’s Reel Magic Magazine. His kicker is a killer.


agreed, also a solid base to add and combine different elements, and endings.

can use cards, ESP cards etc, a very solid base to improve upon and construct around


highly recommended 

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Thanks X.
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Although I don’t believe that “thinking like a magician” is necessarily a bad thing, I may be guilty here. While the structure and thinking behind Vigil’s version is brilliant, I keep feeling the reversed card adds an additional dimension. Maybe the kicker ending makes up for it and, of course, no trick cards. I dunno.

Am I overthinking this?


A good point I/M. This is certainly one of those areas in magic that I struggle with. Of 2 versions of an effect what elements make one stronger than the other (Strong Magic and Designing Miracles....I need!). 

I think both are very strong. Vigil's presentation and script does recognise the strength of the reversed cards. Of course Vigil's method means these are inevitable and he uses it in his patter. Whilst not a chosen card by the spectator still a strong moment.

Sorry I took so long to reply I/M

Gareth

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P. 75 of Anneman's Miracles of Card Magic (1948). Sympathetic Clubs by Herbert Milton.

Anneman states;

"This exceptional club effect was one of Nate Leipzing’s favorites, and should receive careful consideration by all those who want practical and well conceived material."
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Another version can be found in Greater Magic, (Pg. 271). I agree with Mike Powers that Jorg Alexander's version is excellent.Think I'll get it.

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Folks, I’d urge everyone to check out Paul Wilson’s “Sympatheic Soup” in his KILLERS DVD set. After all my research (so far) this version is a tiny step better than Vigil’s version (in my opinion). And both beat Alexander’s version (no gaffs needed)

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I appreciate the "purity" of the non-gaffed versions, but for me the strength of the routine is the test. Whichever one will have the greatest effect on the audience is the one I'd like to perform. The other factor is deceptiveness. It's a weakness if the audience can backtrack to the method later. Since I would only use this in a formal show, gaffs are not an issue. 

Any thoughts on relative strengths i.e. effect on the audience, of these various routines? Forget gaffed v non-gaffed, ease of setup or handling etc. Which one is the strongest and most deceptive?

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Here is Malone performing Marlo's Leipzig Would Have Loved This. I do this version and it plays good. Very simple packet trick with an untold amount of good story lines. One of my favorites for sure.


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Here is Malone performing Marlo's Leipzig Would Have Loved This. I do this version and it plays good. Very simple packet trick with an untold amount of good story lines. One of my favorites for sure.


Kingman thanks for posting Malone's routine, the first time I saw it a while ago I wasn't that excited by it but after reading all these posts of sympathic type routines I rewatched it and after running through it I better appreciated it. At Gareth's urging I got the Paul Vigil version, which in the credits led me to Jim Swain's version. After reading those I also rewatched the promo for Erik Tait's Suit to Cut which also seems to be based on the same concept. While I am not sure I will use these anytime soon it has motivated me to come up with something that may work for me.



 

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Should have mentioned that Larry Jennings has a take on Leipzig, ("sans gaffus") in The Classic Magic of Larry Jennings, Pg. 201.
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