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I was revisiting Juan Tamariz's book, The Five Point of Magic, this past weekend.

I was wondering if any of you have had experience with using his Ribbonspread Force?

I have been playing around with the moves etc off and on over the past year but have not attempted using it as of yet. I like the concept and if, as Tamariz claims, it works 90% of the time, it migh be worth adding to the toolbox.

What thoughts have you?

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I was revisiting Juan Tamariz's book, The Five Point of Magic, this past weekend.

I was wondering if any of you have had experience with using his Ribbonspread Force?

I have been playing around with the moves etc off and on over the past year but have not attempted using it as of yet. I like the concept and if, as Tamariz claims, it works 90% of the time, it migh be worth adding to the toolbox.

What thoughts have you?


Eric, I don't happen to own that book.  I've heard great things about it, but I have some great books on the shelf that haven't been cracked in decades, so.......

But my understanding is the Tamariz Ribbon Spread Force is a psychological force, yes?
It probably uses the positioning of the cards to entice a spectator to take a specific card, least path of resistance type of thing.

If so, the main thing that has to exist in my opinion is a relaxed atmosphere.  If, by the way you present yourself and your magic, you've created a "catch me if you can" atmosphere, then the force is less likely to work.

The best scenario is when they just quickly take a card, not caring which one they take because they don't suspect anything is up.  They are relaxed and having fun and that attitude helps cause them to take the most obvious choice.  A skeptic would never do that.

Am I on the right track?  If not, sorry!
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In a casual setting for family and friends I suppose you could try a 90% effective force. But for a paying gig ( which I've retired from a long time ago) I would depend on something more sure fire, like a one way force deck, even.
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In a casual setting for family and friends I suppose you could try a 90% effective force. But for a paying gig ( which I've retired from a long time ago) I would depend on something more sure fire, like a one way force deck, even.
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I understand your feelings, but as a professional, Juan is always prepared with an "out" if needs be.

There are surefire forces, but the rush you get when a percentage force pays off is pretty intoxicating.
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It's very much in the Spanish style to dance with the odds and always be ready to jazz your way out of a missed force.  It seems like you are giving the volunteer more and more choices, where in fact you are leading them back to the choice you wanted them to make initially.

This is a skill I wish I had!
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I would also add, I think that this might work well with an audience who is, shall I say, a bit sauced up, relaxed and enjoying themselves. [wink]


Yes, but, and there's always a but.  Alcohol has different effects on different people.  Some get more relaxed, others not so much.  So if one is predisposed to be a heckler or a grabber, imbibing simply amplifies it.
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The Ribbonspread Force is the typical "let's have a try and let's see what to do after" force.
Because of it isn't a 100% effective force, we need to have prepared a "spare" trick in which we don't know the identity of the (resulting) selected card.
The good thing is that if this force turns out to be success, it would be really deceptive.

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I imagine it's a much of a muchness between this and say a classic force, which if it missed would require one be prepared with an out - either through equivocal choreography which takes you back to the same trick or with a mechanical out be it a weaker force or simply an alternate effect which is just as appropriate to perform in place of the intended one. 

In the case of a method like this, knowing the outcome - either way - is vitally important as having no hesitation as to what comes next as that will assure it feel that whichever occurs is entirely as you had intended. 

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