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arthur stead

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Tommy Wonder’s humility goes to show that the compliment of being an artist should come from other people.  You can consider yourself an artist all you want.  But it’s other people’s assessment that counts.  If THEY see you as an artist, then there’s some validity to their opinion.


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If all are artists the term no longer holds any importance.
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“In large measure becoming an artist consists of learning to accept yourself, which makes your work personal, and in following your own voice, which makes your work distinctive" - David Bayle
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“In large measure becoming an artist consists of learning to accept yourself, which makes your work personal, and in following your own voice, which makes your work distinctive" - David Bayle


This statement puts artistry as a conditional fact. Artistry begins, and maybe it ends, with originality and authenticity, or maybe the ability to fake said conditions.

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As Salvador Dali once said: "An artist is not one who is inspired, but one who can inspire others" - now I checked out Penn & Teller doing the Ball and Vase trick and found that quite inspiring.


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I have artifice playing cards.On the flap it is written "ars est celare artem"

meaning:it is art to conceal art.We can say magic is art to conceal art.It fits very well.Because magic is art that magicians  must conceal 
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Tommy Wonder’s humility goes to show that the compliment of being an artist should come from other people.  You can consider yourself an artist all you want.  But it’s other people’s assessment that counts.  If THEY see you as an artist, then there’s some validity to their opinion.


Belated reply, but here we are.

Arthur:
May I respectfully suggest that you reread my posts, although on second thoughts and not wishing to inflict that sort of pain on anybody, perhaps I should say, at least skim over them. This is what I’ve been saying all along. The apparently fake masterpiece was judged to be a masterpiece painted by Vermeer. The judging panel was and still is other people.

I know people who used to yawn at the thought of Tommy’s stage act. and more than several felt the same about Fred Kaps. And yet, back with Tommy, they would drool (almost) over his close-up work. They formed an opinion.

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If all are artists the term no longer holds any importance.


Another Belated Reply.

Disagree entirely, but then I’m sure you’d be disappointed if I didn’t. [smile]

Meanwhile, try this: “If all are philosophers the term no longer holds any importance.

Is that true? No. We’re all philosophers. Thankfully we’re not all pretending to be Descartes, Vernon, Hume, Steinmeyer, Russell, Anderson, Maven, Singer, Wallace, Burger, etcetera, etcetera, and so on. Ah yes, and my own very personal favourite, A.J. Ayer.

But this doesn’t mean what we say has no merit. Does it?

We’re all Philosophers. We’re all Artists.

 
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Another Belated Reply.

Disagree entirely, but then I’m sure you’d be disappointed if I didn’t. [smile]

Meanwhile, try this: “If all are philosophers the term no longer holds any importance.

Is that true? No. We’re all philosophers. Thankfully we’re not all pretending to be Descartes, Vernon, Hume, Steinmeyer, Russell, Anderson, Maven, Singer, Wallace, Burger, etcetera, etcetera, and so on. Ah yes, and my own very personal favourite, A.J. Ayer.

But this doesn’t mean what we say has no merit. Does it?

We’re all Philosophers. We’re all Artists.

 


Nah, most people I know aren't even close to the definition of philosopher.

And most magicians I've seen aren't artists. Not even close. Magic may be an art, but that doesn't mean all practitioners are artists.

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Nah, most people I know aren't even close to the definition of philosopher.

And most magicians I've seen aren't artists. Not even close. Magic may be an art, but that doesn't mean all practitioners are artists.



As that great Philosopher-Artist Spokeshave Artistically Philosophised:

"That's the trouble with definitions. They confuse and deceive with their definitiveness".
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ChrisW hooked me up with a lecture by Pop Hayden. His take was that the art in magic comes from the backstory of the character because the backstory explains who the magician is, how the magician will preform, what the magician will preform, and why the magician is performing in the first place.
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