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Kevin

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A masters degree in the force. Unfortunately most of the disk is goofball magic. That's his style. Which is fine.

His insights into the force are very good. He has this down pat.
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I also recommend this DVD to anyone who wants to master the classic force.


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Don't own this dvd but, for some reason, have been always fascinated by it. Can anyone detail the content.....of course it explains the Classic Force but what insights has anyone found more helpful/interesting?
Can anyone compare it with Hand-picked Astonisment dvd by Joshua Jay about Force or Classic Force dvd by Phil Jay?
Also comes to my mind Paul Gertner work about the classic force. Any hint? Thanks.
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He gets into vertical and horizontal movements. Also, he doesn't hold a break, which really makes sense when you try it. The guy is a master at this.
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Thanks Kevin for the details. Sooner or later, I'll grab this dvd....it's on my wish list.
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I don't have the dvd but I would like to add Paul Green is an incredibly successful cooperate magician (where the big money can be found)  If you are looking at heading down that road, anything Paul Green has to say is worth listening too. 
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I probably did the worst thing in selling, years ago, his dvd "In the trenches". It was a Penguin extra and thought it was not worth that much. I'd have better checked the material inside. Shame on me!
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I know this is a bit off topic, but the Jerx did a survey on the most convincing, effective force.

You're not going to believe this but #1 was - the CrissCross force. All I can say is that I have never been caught using it. And that includes my math genius nephew.
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Following up...the way they rationalized it was that the spectator has total freedom. It was HIS/HER cut. The Classic came in quite low. "We know the magician is feeding us a card".

I'm sure about that. If I could do a Paul Green Classic I would use it all the time.
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Kevin, I love CrissCross force but I believe the Classic force is still nowadays a reference any card lover has to learn. I'm a fan of Lorayne's and the recent HaLo Project has me thinking about what Lorayne has always suggested in doing magic (not only cards): the attitude is the key! Do it nonchalantly, casually and bilieve it te be correctly working. Most of the times, it will work.....even if you don't think. 


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Kevin, I love CrissCross force but I believe the Classic force is still nowadays a reference any card lover has to learn. I'm a fan of Lorayne's and the recent HaLo Project has me thinking about what Lorayne has always suggested in doing magic (not only cards): the attitude is the key! Do it nonchalantly, casually and bilieve it to be correctly working. Most of the times, it will work.....even if you don't think. 


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I'm off today and watching Harry's disk one of Best Ever. It's so beyond mere mortals to pull it off like he did.

I am going to make a categorical statement.

Harry was/is the most - entertaining- card magician that ever lived. I don't even think it's close.
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     I use the Classic Force a lot. Most often, with my back turned. Actually easier that way. You can see me start my Ambitious Card Routine with that on one of the four volumes of my "Best Ever" 4-vol. DVD set.
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Yup...I tried that behind the back force and failed miserably. And that's why you're Harry...and we are not.

Btw....that third or fourth move in you A card routine is great...the face up card changing.

I am now resuming Disk 1.
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The best force is an effective force. By effective I mean efficient, undetectable, and relatively foolproof. For some that force is the Classic Force. For others it is something else. I habitually use John Bannon's Christ-Cross Force, the Riffle Force, and the Dribble Force. I can Classic Force effectively, but only at about 75%-80% efficiency, which is one reason I do not use it more often. The other reason I don't use it often is that I personally associate the Classic Force with the forcing of a card. That is, the action of spreading for a selection is as iconic as pulling a rabbit from a hat or vanishing a small red silk into the fist. Riffles and dribbles and such seem (feel?) fairer to the average non-magician. As always, YMMV, which is why we aren't all a bunch of magic clones!

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Have a look here for more on the Jerx and forcing in general. The Cross Cut force features extensively.


http://www.themagiciansforum.com/post/the-jerx-october-112017-9645756


http://www.themagiciansforum.com/post/criss-cross-force-9648222?highlight=jerx

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Yup...I tried that behind the back force and failed miserably. And that's why you're Harry...and we are not.

Btw....that third or fourth move in you A card routine is great...the face up card changing.

I am now resuming Disk 1.


There's only one Harry Lorayne but he's still there to teach us the best moves and ideas in magic. I deepheartly love his approach to magic (.....and life, I suppose). 
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The best force is an effective force. By effective I mean efficient, undetectable, and relatively foolproof. For some that force is the Classic Force. For others it is something else. I habitually use John Bannon's Christ-Cross Force, the Riffle Force, and the Dribble Force. I can Classic Force effectively, but only at about 75%-80% efficiency, which is one reason I do not use it more often. The other reason I don't use it often is that I personally associate the Classic Force with the forcing of a card. That is, the action of spreading for a selection is as iconic as pulling a rabbit from a hat or vanishing a small red silk into the fist. Riffles and dribbles and such seem (feel?) fairer to the average non-magician. As always, YMMV, which is why we aren't all a bunch of magic clones!

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Anthony I do experience that 80% efficiency in classic force, as well. I'm with you when you state the best force is an effective one. I think if one can reach a fairly degree of efficiency in classic force and can have a couple of more forces in his arsenal (and a few outs, when you need to) can certainly do great card stuff. 
If I remember well, Lorayne states that with a good control, a good double lift and a good palm, one can do miracles with card. I've studied (and love) Card College (the first 2 volumes in particular) among other books (in Italy there's not the widest literature, most are tranlsated texts), so from volumes that are wider in scope or aim but, to me, what (and how) Lorayne teachs has something special. 
Ok.....Lorayne hasn't paid me to make these statements. I'm not a pro, I mean I make my living by doing other thing than magic but I've learned more about magic from Harry Lorayne than from any other source. And his approach to the classic force, to me, makes no excption. 
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Also...the Lorayne Force isn't bad either. It has to be done smoothly. It's kind of a spread cull force....but it isn't.
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Absolutely terrific force. I mostly rely upon this if my classic force fails. The late Martin Nash used to do this force for some of his card effects (I have some old vhs on his magic). This is how important and valuable are Lorayne creations. 
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Following up...the way they rationalized it was that the spectator has total freedom. It was HIS/HER cut. The Classic came in quite low. "We know the magician is feeding us a card".

I'm sure about that. If I could do a Paul Green Classic I would use it all the time.


I use a few forces.  The Cross Cut force is one.  And I don't bother to rationalize it.  I find most magic is about attitude.  When I use the Cross cut force it is built into the routine and it just makes sense.  

I don't think one force is better than another.  I think one force for the individual is better than the other. 

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