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ChickenAgent

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Produce Coins from fire...
3 Coins in my pocket all similar, And a marker...
We start from darkness... In the dark i Light up a caddle... And the Lights slowly fade in...
I drop the caddle in a silver bowl with papers and sticks...
I react to fire (misdirection) and i palm a coin in my hand...
I grab the fire and i produce a coin... And throw it away act like i'n burned...
I reach in my pocket, i palm a coin and i put the deck on the table...
Underneath the table i write the card's values at the same time the spectator show it...
I tell the spectator to fold the card in 4ths and burn it...
I give her a ballon and while she blows in it a palm a piece of broken glass...
I tell her to hold it in her hand... I produce the broken glass and i pierce it... (Misdirection to palm a bag of sand...)
I throw it from above (Misdirection to palm a glass)
I say: from fire and sand i made glass... And from love and Joy i make water...
I put the water bottle on the table (some laughs would be good)...
I pure the water into the glass, and i make 2 turns (like A gift from the gods) ( i place the coin with the card values in my mouth while turning)...
I drink small amount of water at a time and when my mouth is full i put out the fire with it and when the dark clouds clear i open my mouth and i have a coin in my mouth...
The spectator takes it and tell the audience that the coin is her card...
I take the coin back i switch it with another one and i through it in the ashes i produce it back and i give her the coin as i gift...

I am now trying to develop my own tricks and this is the first one so far... I want an opinion on how it hits you as a magician... It's a story magic trick based on an idea i had as i Child about the first coin ever create... Im from greece so the god that made the coin is Hephaestus XD... Im not saying any particular moves yet cause im still developing it... Thanks in advance!!!
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I guess for me the question is, is this just a script, or have you practiced/performed this?  Looks like a lot going on. A video would help.
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Overall I think this would be a very dramatic routine. With the amount of stagecraft you are describing, I would think a overarching narrative would be necessary. I want to be honest with you, I had a hard time following the narrative here. Are you trying to do a 4 elements of the Classical World (fire, water, earth, air)? Can you elaborate on how and why this routine fits in with rest of what your are doing? 


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Hello guys this is Just a script now i have t perform it all yet... When i do i Will absolutely post the video.. The trick is about how the first coin was made by a greek god Hephaestus... The trick is about water (sand) so earth and of course fire the 4th element of my trick you can say its religion i guess But not really 😂😂... Its dark, dramatic routine and there's going to be music, i wont talk at all except the phrase: from fire and sand i make water and from love and Joy i make water...
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ChickenAgent, I don't know that I would mix cards into the effect, it just seems odd to me.  Perhaps you do something like that after the basic routine.  If you do, then to me the way to do it would be to take a coin, show it on both sides and then switch it for the coin with the card's identity written on it.  You then grab some of the ash from the bowl and rub it onto the coin.  As you rub, turn the coin over in the hand and then flatten your fingers over it.  Slowly remove one finger at a time until there is only one finger rubbing it and the audience will begin to see the identity of the card.  So this way, there is a connection from the coin to the ashes.

In the first part, have you considered using flash paper as a way to produce the first coin?  Michael Ammar does this and it looks really good.  You basically glue a small piece of flash paper, accordion-folded to the back of the coin.  You have it finger-palmed and as you reach into the flame you light the paper, pull your hand away and produce the coin.  

Start the routine with the coin palmed.  There is no need to light the fire and THEN go steal a coin.  Just reach into your pocket for a lighter, palm the coin and go.  If it is a "Zippo" style lighter, you can hide the coin behind it if you think that is necessary to show an empty hand.  They don't know what you are going to do so there will be no "heat" on the lighter until you light it. [smile]

The balloon and sand parts of the routine I'm not really sure about.  

Keep thinking, keep refining and keep us posted.


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ChickenAgent, I don't know that I would mix cards into the effect, it just seems odd to me.  Perhaps you do something like that after the basic routine.  If you do, then to me the way to do it would be to take a coin, show it on both sides and then switch it for the coin with the card's identity written on it.  You then grab some of the ash from the bowl and rub it onto the coin.  As you rub, turn the coin over in the hand and then flatten your fingers over it.  Slowly remove one finger at a time until there is only one finger rubbing it and the audience will begin to see the identity of the card.  So this way, there is a connection from the coin to the ashes.

In the first part, have you considered using flash paper as a way to produce the first coin?  Michael Ammar does this and it looks really good.  You basically glue a small piece of flash paper, accordion-folded to the back of the coin.  You have it finger-palmed and as you reach into the flame you light the paper, pull your hand away and produce the coin.  

Start the routine with the coin palmed.  There is no need to light the fire and THEN go steal a coin.  Just reach into your pocket for a lighter, palm the coin and go.  If it is a "Zippo" style lighter, you can hide the coin behind it if you think that is necessary to show an empty hand.  They don't know what you are going to do so there will be no "heat" on the lighter until you light it. [smile]

The balloon and sand parts of the routine I'm not really sure about.  

Keep thinking, keep refining and keep us posted.


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I like the idea of the flash paper i might do it :P i want to show empty hands though... I might do this trick in front of magicians to enjoy ourselves so empty hands is a must 😂😂
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What if your volunteer has trouble blowing up the balloon? I think that might cause you some problems. Maybe something else would be less problematic?
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I like the idea of the flash paper i might do it 😋 i want to show empty hands though... I might do this trick in front of magicians to enjoy ourselves so empty hands is a must 😂😂


Fine, but at some point you are going to have to go to the pocket to steal a coin.  Is that going to happen when you return the lighter?  Otherwise I don't care how much misdirection you use, going to the pocket is hard to cover.  There is always the option of a clip or holdout.
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Fine, but at some point you are going to have to go to the pocket to steal a coin.  Is that going to happen when you return the lighter?  Otherwise I don't care how much misdirection you use, going to the pocket is hard to cover.  There is always the option of a clip or holdout.

I am Thinking about glueing it on the back of a box of matches... Or i May use the lighter way :P
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What if your volunteer has trouble blowing up the balloon? I think that might cause you some problems. Maybe something else would be less problematic?

That's what i am counting on... If He or she takes more time to blow up the ballon, the more time i have to palm the glass carefully and maybe go on the front of the table to "help"... The more attention He or she gets, the less attention i get... So if the loose the attention the have on me for one second its all i need
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Hello guys this is Just a script now i have t perform it all yet... When i do i Will absolutely post the video.. The trick is about how the first coin was made by a greek god Hephaestus... The trick is about water (sand) so earth and of course fire the 4th element of my trick you can say its religion i guess But not really 😂😂... Its dark, dramatic routine and there's going to be music, i wont talk at all except the phrase: from fire and sand i make water and from love and Joy i make water...


If you don't talk, how are you going to get a volunteer on stage and direct them when they are up there?
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If you don't talk, how are you going to get a volunteer on stage and direct them when they are up there?


That is a good point Sam.  I suppose the person is brought up before the trick begins.  So you bring them up and then dim the lights to create a mood.  If you are going to go, go all the way, so maybe have a "smoke machine" too, creating some atmosphere.

As far as directing them, pantomime works for basic stuff.  You can certainly hand them the balloon and mimic blowing it up yourself.  They will get the idea.
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