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RayJ

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Just read a recent entry in The Jerx blog:

Stumble. Pause. Answer.



http://www.thejerx.com/

Check it out.  He makes a lot of sense.

This is good advice for "regular" magic too.
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He's got a ton of great advice.  Just be careful sharing some of his thoughts. 

I shared his thoughts on what it really means when magicians say stuff like "They won't even want to look at the cards/matchbook/coins".  And, spoiler, it's not a good thing (if they don't have an interest in, and want to see, the objects that just "amazed" them, then they weren't amazed).

People lost their damned minds.  It's one of the reasons I clear out my posts every now and then, magicians often can't take actual debate and discussion.


Sadly, you are correct, many magicians cannot take actual debate and discussion.  I'm sure it is the same in other walks of life, but I know many magicians I've run into in the past that were that way.  If you disagreed with them, they took it personally and tried to vilify those that dared question them.  

Having said that, if you do feel strongly about something, then defend your position vigorously, just do it with gentleness and respect.

There is no reason for everyone to agree and frankly, if we all agreed it might be a bad thing.

A counter-opinion is a opportunity to look at your beliefs.  Either you see some validity in the other view or not and it strengthens your own position.  It has value both ways and that's the point.
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There is no reason for everyone to agree and frankly, if we all agreed it might be a bad thing.
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Things would become boring..that happened to me in a private mentalism forum in which I was a member of. I brought up some topics that were sort of "different ". And the moderator totally had it in for me. So I left..

Were lucky we have TMF to share ideas.....

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Things would become boring..that happened to me in a private mentalism forum in which I was a member of. I brought up some topics that were sort of "different ". And the moderator totally had it in for me. So I left..

Were lucky we have TMF to share ideas.....


That's a shame.  When forums become an echo chamber, it is the beginning of the end.


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Thanks for posting the link to Jerx RayJ. Very good read.

Now I'm wondering how to set up a situation where the spectator is ultimately seduced into asking a question that will allow me to engage in the "oh I hadn't thought of that" scenario. Clearly just giving ambiguous instructions could get you there. If the spectators doesn't know what to do, s/he will have to ask.

Dani DaOrtiz is constantly creating the feeling that the spec is allowed to do anything she wishes. "No you don't have to stop here. We can go further or backwards." Or "Toss away one card, or two. No two is bad. Wait oh well toss another one if you like. It doesn't matter." He creates the feeling that he wanted you to do one thing but you didn't. You start to believe that the trick can't work now because you didn't follow the instructions. Of course the trick does work and the effect is magnified by the fact the audience was beginning to believe that it had gone south.

Mike


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Thanks for posting the link to Jerx RayJ. Very good read.

Now I'm wondering how to set up a situation where the spectator is ultimately seduced into asking a question that will allow me to engage in the "oh I hadn't thought of that" scenario. Clearly just giving ambiguous instructions could get you there. If the spectators doesn't know what to do, s/he will have to ask.

Dani DaOrtiz is constantly creating the feeling that the spec is allowed to do anything she wishes. "No you don't have to stop here. We can go further or backwards." Or "Toss away one card, or two. No two is bad. Wait oh well toss another one if you like. It doesn't matter." He creates the feeling that he wanted you to do one thing but you didn't. You start to believe that the trick can't work now because you didn't follow the instructions. Of course the trick does work and the effect is magnified by the fact the audience was beginning to believe that it had gone south.

Mike




Good points Mike, and Dani is a master of psychology in magic.  His attitude and acting ability, if you will, certainly help.  Disarming is a word I'd use to describe him.
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Dani is a worthwhile study for any magician wishing to understand the true value of understanding how the human mind works - his magic is psychology in action, Harry Lorayne once recommended the benefits of a nonchalant attitude in performance, well Dani Daortiz takes this principle and runs with it - he is an awesome study indeed!
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