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Hi All,

It's that time again!

Let's us all know what you plan to share.

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See you then!

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Here's the link to the video of our Saturday Session. 



Thanks to all who attended! I had a great time as usual.

Happy New Year everyone!

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Thanks Rudy!

Happy New Year to You, your Family and Everyone on the Forum!

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Hi guys. Sorry I missed it but as you probably guessed New Years Celebrations down under got the better of me. Look forward to watching the video.
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I may have left out a couple of details when I taught "CARDial Infraction" on Saturday. 

After you have split for the shuffle you move the LH group over the RH group and take the ace above the break under the LH packet. So at that point the LH packet from the BOTTOM UP is: Ace, four RF cards, crimped card.

When you begin the shuffle here are the details: 1) Drop four from RH packet. 2) Drop AT LEAST 6 from LH packet. You must keep the Ace, the 4 RF cards and the crimped card intact. I think I didn't mention this on Saturday. If you shuffle cards from the RH packet into that slug, things will get goofed up.

3) Once you have made sure to drop at least 6 from the LH onto the 4 from the RH, you shuffle normally but faster from the left side. You need to end the shuffling of the left side by holding back FOUR cards. This is not difficult. Try it and you'll see.

At the point where you see that you've held back four on the left side, there must be at least 7 remaining on the right side. Look at the top group of cards on the right side and you'll see why. An ace is 7th from top. There's also an ace 2nd from top. 

So, once you see that you've held back four on the left side you will drop a block of at least six on the right side while holding back one card on the right side. Now drop the four from left side onto that block and finally allow the single card held back on the right side on top of all. Now square up and you're almost ready to deal. The final step is to cut at the crimped card, leaving it on the bottom. A Charlier cut works well.

So before the square up check your situation. The top single card is on the right side. Then there's four from the left side on top of a block of at least six on the right side.

This is not difficult to do!! I'm not an expert in gambling technique. It won't take a load of practice to nail this. Try it. It's  solid gambling routine.

FINALLY: As long as you set up the bottom properly as described, you'll get at least 2 aces even if you screw up the details at the top. You'll also be set for the royal flush ending.

So, don't worry about holding back four on the left and dropping six or more on the right. If you mess up, take your two aces and say, "I"m going to try it again." You'll get the royal flush and all will be forgiven!

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I hope to watch the rest of this tomorrow morning.  Had a long night with the gig and celebration....off the game this evening...GO LIONS!

Thanks again for hosting these Rudy.  We really appreciate all you do!

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I hope to watch the rest of this tomorrow morning.  Had a long night with the gig and celebration....off the game this evening...GO LIONS!

Thanks again for hosting these Rudy.  We really appreciate all you do!

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Thanks bro...I appreciate the kind encouraging words!

Hope you had fun last night [smile]

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I wanted to mention the credit for the trick Warren showed. The idea of having 6 cards as four and repeatedly removing one and still having four and then ending with a single card which is the selection comes from George McBride. It's called "Way Too Many" and can be found in an eBook called "The Best of OSMOSIS."

I used the underlying concept in the Card Corner (May 2010) in "Way Too Many." It had also appeared in my TFD lecture notes prior to that. Here's how the effect is described in the Card Corner:

EFFECT: Two cards are selected and “lost” in the deck. The magician then spreads the cards face down and asks the first spectator to touch three cards in the spread. These are removed as the magician explains that these cards will reveal the identity of the selection. The first card will reveal the color. The next two will reveal suit and number respectively.

The magician discovers that he has mistakenly taken four cards. One is tabled as the cards are counted again. strangely, there are still four cards. Another card is tabled as the packet is again found to contain four cards. This happens two more times. As a last resort, the magician hands the packet to a spectator to count. The spectator discovers a single card – her selection!

The magician tells the second spectator that he will need the four aces to find her card. Luckily, the four tabled cards are found to be the four aces! The magician removes the two red aces and places them face up in the deck. When the cards are spread, a face-down card is found between the aces. Of course, it is the second selection.

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Aldo Colombini had a similar effect called "You Can Count on Them" in his 1999 lecture notes "First Impressions" - he states "It is based on a Paul Gordon idea from his book Nocturnal Creations"

Colombini's routine has a selected card returned to the deck, then three cards are touched, removed, and shown to be indifferent.  The three cards are counted face down and there are now four.  One is returned to the deck, but there are still four.  This is repeated twice more.  Once again the extra card is returned to the deck, but suddenly there is only one card in the magician's hand, and it is the selection.

I don't know if this pre-dates or post-dates the other versions discussed here.
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I am so sorry I missed the live Saturday Session - it looks like it was another amazing gathering.

I just watched the video - you guys are great and so generous with sharing your knowledge and ideas. 

Here's an index - a small contribution and token of appreciation.  As before, I guessed at the titles of some of the shared items.  Please let me know of any corrections that should be made.

Robin

 
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The magician tells the second spectator that he will need the four aces to find her card. Luckily, the four tabled cards are found to be the four aces! The magician removes the two red aces and places them face up in the deck. When the cards are spread, a face-down card is found between the aces. Of course, it is the second selection.Mike




Hi Mike.

If your method allows it, it may make more sense to place all four aces in the deck face up, and have the selection appear in the centre (between the reds and blacks).
It sounds rather odd to say you need the four aces, have them appear, and then only use two.

What are your thoughts ?

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I am so sorry I missed the live Saturday Session - it looks like it was another amazing gathering.

I just watched the video - you guys are great and so generous with sharing your knowledge and ideas. 

Here's an index - a small contribution and token of appreciation.  As before, I guessed at the titles of some of the shared items.  Please let me know of any corrections that should be made.

Robin


Hi Robin,

Thanks for taking the time to do this! Extremely helpful and much appreciated!

Rudy


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Hello everyone! I too really enjoyed the last Saturday session -- everyone was obviously very knowledgeable and willing to openly share ideas with all who participate (definitely worth much more than the price of admission!). Warren's routine (outstanding, by the way) referenced Dingles' Fabulous Jumping Card Trick. My only point (which I'm not sure made any sense at the time) is that Derek used his routine for several purposes -- not only the immediate magic happening but the subliminal opportunity to mention his name in a memorable way (as a gag line) at least 3-4 times, and that is an integral part of that routine. For me, I picked up a few new ideas regarding shuffling (Chi Han -- that National Reverse move is definitely handy to know) and Mike Powers always seems to provide killer routines with excellent explanations (a big THANK-YOU for that). Robin's index is also really appreciated. Thanks again to ALL of you (and, of course, Rudy for setting these things up). johnny
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Thanks for that info Robin. Nocternal Creations is from 1997. I'm not sure what the dates are for the George McBride routine. Colombini's routine is about the same as the front end of the item in the Card Corner. I had found it in "The Best of Osmosis." The ebook is dated 2001. I'm not sure if there's another physical book or publication of the routine prior to that. If not, it looks like the credit goes to Paul G.

Thanks for digging up that info Robin! It sure is hard to track origins down. It's good to keep after that though.

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Just for the record - George McBride's "One Too Many" was published in Osmosis in 1995. George's inspiration was the classic Edward Victor Eleven Card Trick. He mentions Jerry Sadowitz's "007 ANd Counting" from 1984. This item is different in plot though.

I think the idea of starting with 6 cards as four and removing a card only to find you still have four by using a succession of EC and then ending with a selection begins with George McBride.

Sometimes originators get lost in the shuffle.

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That's fantastic research Mike!

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