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I feel like waxing somewhat poetic today, and I just noticed that my last post was my 299th, and since I've been thinking about writing one like this, thought it may be appropriate for number 300 ๐Ÿ˜‰

People may not remember, but I am a refugee from "The Second Deal" -- it was around a LONG time, and had a bunch of people that are now here, and others.

Over the years I've belonged to a lot of magic forums that have come and gone, and as some here know, I currently also belong to a couple other sites. Some of those sites are open and some are subscription or even invitation-only.

One of the others I belong to has extremely high quality, but the volume is low. Considering the quality, that's ok, but it doesn't make for continual interaction with folks, and I'm reasonably new there so don't get some of the insider jokes/comments from some of the old hands.

The other is active but just barely - it seems like it's on life-support.

TMF reminds me of what TSD was early on. Lots of folks interacting, offering advice.... people feeling comfortable enough to ask for advice and getting it. Videos and explanations being offered and extensions to methods. Some heavy-hitters that frequently post -- always seems to breathe life into a forum when the guys that write books or make videos I buy are also writing posts I read or responding to ones I write.

IMHO, Rudy has crafted a great hang-out for all of us, and is the best of breed. Even head-to-head against TSD in the last few years -- TMF still comes out ahead.

Just thought I'd say thanks to Rudy and to all of the people that share here!


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Very nice, Dave. Yep, thanks to Rudy and all the regular (and irregular) posters.

I also used to be on TSD and MagicTalk (anyone remember that one?) about 20 years ago, and agree that The Magician's Forum ranks up there with the best of what's been available down through the years.
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Jeepers, I remember alt.magic on newsgroups!
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I'm another "refugee" from TSD that has found this site to be a very welcoming and valuable place. As Dave mentioned, TMF has the vitality that TSD had for a long time. TMF also has the benefit of on-line sessions hosted by Rudy using Zoom. That's a great innovation. Kudos to Rudy and to those who make this site a great place to hang out.

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yeah boy...

Richard Robinson's AllMagic
Smoke & Mirrors
Connoisseur Conjuring
The Learned Pig site and newsletter
CardMagician.com
Card Trick Central
Conjuring Cabaret
Conjuror Community - not to be confused with Aaron Fisher's current CC
Cogitations
Jon Racherbaumer's Prime Moves and Essays site
Online Visions
Underground Collective

it's been fun!

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Iโ€™ve been here less than a week but I am in love. I spent the last year at Conjuror Community which has been great but after meeting Rudy while hiring him for my show, I decided to check out TMF and this place is awesome. I dropped my Conjuror Community membership this week.

Thanks for creating such a great community, Rudy!
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Iโ€™ve been here less than a week but I am in love. I spent the last year at Conjuror Community which has been great but after meeting Rudy while hiring him for my show, I decided to check out TMF and this place is awesome. I dropped my Conjuror Community membership this week.

Thanks for creating such a great community, Rudy!


I haven't cut that tie yet, but it's been crossing my mind...

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Much congrats to Rudy who has built this from the ground up and is now a top notch forum and is just getting better and better each day. Poster TomG told me about this forum and so glad he did. 
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Yep... I'll join in to voice my praise for Rudy, and the community he has established, and nurtured into what it is, and what it is becoming.
I may not be the most active member, but I do read pretty much everything, and I'm encouraged by the consistently positive tone of the conversations, and the civility with which all subjects are discussed.

Thanks, Rudy!
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Richard Robinson's AllMagic -http://www.allmagic.com/ I am fortunate enough to have gotten the last of those, from Jim Sisti. Basically it was all of Richard's work from the site.

The Learned Pig site and newsletter - Still can be found archived on https://www.lybrary.com for free.

Online Visions - was one of my favorite sites for bizarre and storytelling magic. I miss them greatly.

I'm not familiar with some of the others on your list Dave, as card magic was only a small part of what I did. But I'm sure they brought a wealth of knowledge, to those seeking it.

While it's true that many boards have closed and that some of the quality sites have gone away, there still is plenty to get those interested jazzed.

The Real Magic site, seems to have a plethora of information waiting to be discovered by those seeking and for the small investment of $5 a month, seems like the deal of the century.

Conjuror Community run by Aaron Fisher's also seems to have helped countless seekers, to not only get into the craft but to go pro as well.

So while sites to come and go, it seems like there is always something there to take it's place.

And that's a good thing ๐Ÿ˜‰



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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Campbell

I feel like waxing somewhat poetic today, and I just noticed that my last post was my 299th, and since I've been thinking about writing one like this, thought it may be appropriate for number 300 ๐Ÿ˜‰

People may not remember, but I am a refugee from "The Second Deal" -- it was around a LONG time, and had a bunch of people that are now here, and others.

Over the years I've belonged to a lot of magic forums that have come and gone, and as some here know, I currently also belong to a couple other sites. Some of those sites are open and some are subscription or even invitation-only.

One of the others I belong to has extremely high quality, but the volume is low. Considering the quality, that's ok, but it doesn't make for continual interaction with folks, and I'm reasonably new there so don't get some of the insider jokes/comments from some of the old hands.

The other is active but just barely - it seems like it's on life-support.

TMF reminds me of what TSD was early on. Lots of folks interacting, offering advice.... people feeling comfortable enough to ask for advice and getting it. Videos and explanations being offered and extensions to methods. Some heavy-hitters that frequently post -- always seems to breathe life into a forum when the guys that write books or make videos I buy are also writing posts I read or responding to ones I write.

IMHO, Rudy has crafted a great hang-out for all of us, and is the best of breed. Even head-to-head against TSD in the last few years -- TMF still comes out ahead.

Just thought I'd say thanks to Rudy and to all of the people that share here!



Dave, thanks for sharing your feelings about Rudy and about the site.  I mention Rudy first because without him, there would be no site.  

I am so glad I stumbled upon TMF.  It happened quite by accident and I don't even remember the details, but no matter, I found it.

But what is so exciting to see is the innovation.  The lectures and Saturday Sessions, the "old is new" tutorials and everything else that is different here.

We've all dropped kudos into posts from time to time, but it was high time that someone focus on the fact that we are so blessed to have this community.

So thanks Dave, for shining light on it!
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Wow!! Thank you Dave for such an encouraging post. And thanks to everyone else who shared your positive opinion of this community. Reading your comments this morning warmed my heart!!

I appreciate each one of you who contribute to this forum regularly and who do so with brotherly (and sisterly) kindness and respect. Itโ€™s really all of you who make the Magicianโ€™s Forum a community that we can all be proud love.

Sending love to all of you from the City of Angels!!!

See you at the Saturday Session Hollywood Edition!!

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Well said Dave, and I agree as well.  I like the open feel and people conversing rather than attacking.

It's quite fun to exchange ideas.  I love the Saturday Sessions, except I can't keep up with learning and re-watching stuff, but it's good to know I have access to them.

Rudy has done a great job with this forum and teach-ins and instructional videos.

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I started this thread a while back, and time has come to make another comment...

There is another forum that I won't name -- there are members here that I KNOW are there, so those folks will know what I'm talking about.

The effects and posts that are shared there, as here, in general are over the top amazing, and caliber of members outstanding.

But, language is VERY free on that sight, tending to the profane in general for some people.

Directly because of the language thing, IMHO, about a week ago a dust-up started there, and it has gotten VERY ugly... thankfully there are 'friends' and 'foes' lists that you can add names to so you won't see posts by the 'foes', or being there for me would be like watching twitter at it's worst.

I'm 100% positive that none of that nonsense would be taking place here, and I'm also positive it is all because of Rudy and what he has started, and for that I am thankful and wanted to mention it again.

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Hi Dave - just came from the site you refer to. Yikes! 

Glad to be here.

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I started this thread a while back, and time has come to make another comment...

There is another forum that I won't name -- there are members here that I KNOW are there, so those folks will know what I'm talking about.

The effects and posts that are shared there, as here, in general are over the top amazing, and caliber of members outstanding.

But, language is VERY free on that sight, tending to the profane in general for some people.

Directly because of the language thing, IMHO, about a week ago a dust-up started there, and it has gotten VERY ugly... thankfully there are 'friends' and 'foes' lists that you can add names to so you won't see posts by the 'foes', or being there for me would be like watching twitter at it's worst.

I'm 100% positive that none of that nonsense would be taking place here, and I'm also positive it is all because of Rudy and what he has started, and for that I am thankful and wanted to mention it again.


Dave, I left that site a while back.  I guess I need to "check in" to see what the uproar is about but yes, they are very coarse.  I had one guy who shall be nameless argue and argue until he ran out of arguments and I had clearly outdone him and he began to attack me verbally.  I had some support from others on that one.  But it is a shame it comes to that.  There are a lot of egos over there.  Not that we here are without ego, but we keep it in check which is what we should do.
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If you guys are referring to the site I think you're referring to, I'm glad to be cured of my casual curiosity regarding what goes on there.

No time for drama or profanity for profanity's sake.

Glad to be a part of The Magician's Forum!
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... I guess I need to "check in" to see what the uproar is about ...


Do you though?  My advice (which nobody asked for) is don't give them the click-count.

I think that any site that needs a "friends/foes" functionality has already gone down the drain.
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Do you though?  My advice (which nobody asked for) is don't give them the click-count.

I think that any site that needs a "friends/foes" functionality has already gone down the drain.


If this persists much longer, Robin -- I'm thinking of agreeing with that

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Do you though?  My advice (which nobody asked for) is don't give them the click-count.

I think that any site that needs a "friends/foes" functionality has already gone down the drain.


Gotta agree. Besides an occasional drop-in at the Genii Forums where I rarely post, this is the only online magic community I visit. The atmosphere is lowkey and peaceful. I can't imagine spending time in an environment such as the one being described in the last few posts. 

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Do you though?  My advice (which nobody asked for) is don't give them the click-count.

I think that any site that needs a "friends/foes" functionality has already gone down the drain.


Robin, you make a good point!  Actually the site in question isn't even the one I thought it was.  That in itself shows that there are more than one out there that has "issues".

I guess it was just prurient interest on my part.  You are right though, that only ends up promoting it.

I wonder the same thing with most forums and that is how many "active members" are really, truly active?  I seem to see the same people on forums partaking in discussions while I guess the rest are lurking or absent.
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I wonder the same thing with most forums and that is how many "active members" are really, truly active?  I seem to see the same people on forums partaking in discussions while I guess the rest are lurking or absent.


Well, looking at the member list here, I see that about half the people currently registered have never posted. Fine by me - everyone has their reasons, and there's nothing wrong with lurking - as long as we're doing our part to make this environment as welcoming as possible.

Personally, since this isn't a closed forum, I lurked for a while and didn't register an account until I decided to start posting.
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Well, looking at the member list here, I see that about half the people currently registered have never posted. Fine by me - everyone has their reasons, and there's nothing wrong with lurking - as long as we're doing our part to make this environment as welcoming as possible.

Personally, since this isn't a closed forum, I lurked for a while and didn't register an account until I decided to start posting.


I don't have a problem with it either except that I hope that those that don't post understand that we welcome their contributions.  

There is no such thing as a stupid question and I believe most people have something of value to add.  While they might not be very experienced they can still chime in on various matters.  Like I said, I simply hope that by reading the friendly discussions they feel free to jump in.
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I think folks feel that way, Ray... I know I do...

I just try to make it a rule that if I can add value to a thread, I'll jump in.

And I don't believe I see anybody just posting to hear the noise rattle around... so that's good ๐Ÿ˜‰

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Yeah, it's interesting to watch newly approved members. Some post almost immediately, others wait months, some have yet to post despite being approved a year or two ago. To each their own, but I don't believe anyone lurking or casually observing would doubt that this is a welcoming forum.

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I read a lot of posts on a couple of different forums before I joined any of them. This is the only forum where I feel free to post. I am new to magic, and I realize that I am going to say things that are stupid, but I have good intentions, and this place was the only one that seemed safe to do so without being flamed because people here seem to give others the benefit of the doubt when they respond to them. I saw a newbie post on another popular magic forum and, admittedly, it was a pretty dumb post, but instead of being charitable, the poster was just hammered by the regulars there. I decided I would never post on that site. In fact, I don't visit any other forums for my other interests unless one pops up when I'm doing online research. 
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I read a lot of posts on a couple of different forums before I joined any of them. This is the only forum where I feel free to post. I am new to magic, and I realize that I am going to say things that are stupid, but I have good intentions, and this place was the only one that seemed safe to do so without being flamed because people here seem to give others the benefit of the doubt when they respond to them. I saw a newbie post on another popular magic forum and, admittedly, it was a pretty dumb post, but instead of being charitable, the poster was just hammered by the regulars there. I decided I would never post on that site. In fact, I don't visit any other forums for my other interests unless one pops up when I'm doing online research. 


Exactly this.

I'm still at a beginner stage, eager to learn a lot about magic. I try to chime in everytime I feel I can. 

This place is a safe one to be.
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I read a lot of posts on a couple of different forums before I joined any of them. This is the only forum where I feel free to post. I am new to magic, and I realize that I am going to say things that are stupid, but I have good intentions, and this place was the only one that seemed safe to do so without being flamed because people here seem to give others the benefit of the doubt when they respond to them. I saw a newbie post on another popular magic forum and, admittedly, it was a pretty dumb post, but instead of being charitable, the poster was just hammered by the regulars there. I decided I would never post on that site. In fact, I don't visit any other forums for my other interests unless one pops up when I'm doing online research. 


Thanks for sharing you insights!  We all started somewhere.  There is no need to puff yourself up by putting others down.  Some here are seasoned veterans but you know what?  Being around newbies is invigorating.  It helps us remember what WE felt like when we nailed our first perfect faro or did a triple lift without getting busted.  

New blood energizes and refreshes the old.

So bring on the questions.  There aren't any dumb ones.  And what might seem trivial might just make all the difference in the world.
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Exactly this.

I'm still at a beginner stage, eager to learn a lot about magic. I try to chime in everytime I feel I can. 

This place is a safe one to be.


crap -- aren't we ALL beginners at *something*??

Never feel afraid to ask any question -- who knows where the thread may end up -- and it's always good!

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TMF reminds me of what TSD was early on. Lots of folks interacting, offering advice.... people feeling comfortable enough to ask for advice and getting it. Videos and explanations being offered and extensions to methods. Some heavy-hitters that frequently post -- always seems to breathe life into a forum when the guys that write books or make videos I buy are also writing posts I read or responding to ones I write.

IMHO, Rudy has crafted a great hang-out for all of us, and is the best of breed. Even head-to-head against TSD in the last few years -- TMF still comes out ahead.

Just thought I'd say thanks to Rudy and to all of the people that share here!



I too would like to thank Rudy, et al, for TMF and what it stands for. Rudy's relentless pursuit of a non threatening forum, along with all of his innovative projects is to be commended. As relatively a newcomer, I appreciate all the support everyone gives to one another on the forum. I especially like that we keep politics out of our discussions, even though some of us include it in what we do. The philosophical discussions....whew! Thanks for making this all possible!

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