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sirmike97

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Yesterday when searching the web I came across a video of a full show by Hans Klok


I was surprised as few magicians rarely put their full show online. I am aware that Hans's act has changed a bit since this performance but still, a full show is hard to come by without having to pay for it. It got me thinking, with the popularity of streaming services and sites like Youtube and Facebook that allow others to share their act, should more renowned magicians post past shows or live stream their performances? I think it's a great way to see a favorite performer without having to leave the comfort of home and save a couple of dollars.
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I think it's a great way to see a favorite performer without having to leave the comfort of home and save a couple of dollars.


For the performer, that doesn't pay the bills.
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For the performer, that doesn't pay the bills.


Yeah but neither does nobody seeing their stuff or knowing who they are.  It's sort of a balance between exposure and disincentive for people to buy a ticket.

I suppose it's sort of the ultimate preview, in that you see the whole thing before you go live.  Might discourage DVD sales though.

I don't think a lot of acts should be streamed though, I'd be pretty annoyed if anything I did was consumed primarily through a screen, and unless the performer knows what they're doing (ala Paul Daniels, Derren Brown, David Blaine etc...), I think they're better off focusing on their live stuff.
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If nobody knows you they're not going to know you on YouTube either.

I'm not saying not to have a YouTube presence, I'm saying I wouldn't put my whole show on there. I don't see the advantage of giving away my whole show for free unless it was a show I retired.
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If nobody knows you they're not going to know you on YouTube either.

I'm not saying not to have a YouTube presence, I'm saying I wouldn't put my whole show on there. I don't see the advantage of giving away my whole show for free unless it was a show I retired.


As advertisement. But yeah, the balance thing I mentioned, and also how some shows aren't designed for camera.
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Yeah but neither does nobody seeing their stuff or knowing who they are.  It's sort of a balance between exposure and disincentive for people to buy a ticket.

I suppose it's sort of the ultimate preview, in that you see the whole thing before you go live.  Might discourage DVD sales though.

I don't think a lot of acts should be streamed though, I'd be pretty annoyed if anything I did was consumed primarily through a screen, and unless the performer knows what they're doing (ala Paul Daniels, Derren Brown, David Blaine etc...), I think they're better off focusing on their live stuff.


DVD's are not as popular as buying something you can watch on your phone or computer. What would be cool is if the big stage acts like Lance Burton or Brett Daniels would put their old or current shows up online for a cost or free. The magician can make some money or bring in more fans from a show they don't do anymore and fans can stay up to date on what illusions their favorite magician is performing. And to be honest, their are thousands of cube-zag's, close up tricks and levitation tricks floating around the internet so what's the harm of adding a couple more from magicians people want to see? 
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For magicians who are not well known, it can be a great marketing opportunity. Most people only know of three or four magicians. Social media and streaming videos allow magicians to get the word out about their acts.
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Personally I like seeing clips of the pros. Perhaps not complete shows but something to give an example of what real mastery and performance is when compared some of the absolute crap that tries to pass as either a demonstration or instructional video.

I just watched something on YT and I wasn't sure if I felt anger or embarrassment for the poster doing the demo of the "Best No Set Up Card Trick". "This card trick will leave your spectator completely confused" OMG not to mention anyone actually trying to learn it from that demo!!!

The guy didn't know the trick, was unable to perform basic the sleights, had no sense of actual performance, but for some unknown reason seemed to believe he could actually teach it. I'd post the link but I think it's just too disturbing. Wild chimpanzees performing open heart surgery would have been less traumatic.

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I agree mostly with the other. If the entire thing is for free no one will pay to watch but if nothing is out there no one will know who the person is. I think they could put a preview of 1 or 2 tricks to get people interested.
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Will people who wish to hire a magician go to youtube to do so?  A lot of magicians have websites with clips of them performing. I think that's the best way to go for promotion.
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Will people who wish to hire a magician go to youtube to do so?  A lot of magicians have websites with clips of them performing. I think that's the best way to go for promotion.


For sure websites and streaming sites such as YT are great for demonstrating one's skills, self promotion, and getting work. I doubt anyone has any real problem with that issue. The main area which seems to create the most discussion is people exposing tricks and methods which are not theirs to release.  It's not fair to the creator/owner of the effect and it annoys me as a consumer when someone exposes something I paid good money for. 

I personally enjoy watching different performances (but the reveal is not necessary) when I see something I like, I do some research from own resources, books DVDs etc. or find out how to buy it.


IMO not everything on YT is bad for magic. 

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