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Kevin

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I am working my way through Giobbi's Masterclass and just saw this.

Does anybody else think this is ingenious? I wonder how effective it is. Very DaOrtiz like, it seems.
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Kevin - is it also in Card College or any other Giobbi work? I don't have Masterclass.

It's listed as a "Table Spread Force" in the index to Masterclass DVD. Is it like the Racherbaumer idea where one card in the spread looks like you "want to" select it? A bit more of the surface of the card shows. The important feature that makes it work, is that the spread seems so casual you don't feel that the magician "wants" you to take a certain card.

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Mike,

Yes, it's in Vol 4, p795. I have should have known that, but I work full time and simply don't have the energy to read after work. Thus DVDs in the evening.

Anyway, he has a whole dvd chapter on table spread forces. The Toss Force is a separate item.

You are exactly right...just a bit more surface shows. I think it is effective due to the flagrant "I don't care" attitude.

That kind of informal presentation really appeals to me.

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I have done this force a few times. About 50% hit rate for me, which is great. Real odds are 1/52 technically. I much prefer thought of card forces lately, or stop forces, but it certainly seems impossibly fair.

With breather crimps it's even easier.
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50%. That's very good to know. I just learned it tonight. I agree...for that move that is not bad at all.
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There is no doubt in my mind you can improve on that figure as well.
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The Racherbaumer item I alluded to above is called "The Cincinnati Force." It's in Card Finesse. It's Marlo's variation of the Tabled Spread Force.

The modus operandi is basically a sidejogged card that will have more surface exposed when the deck is given a ribbon spread turnover. Since the ribbon spread turnover appears so casual, the spec is likely to take the most obvious card i.e. the one more exposed in the spread.

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Mike,
Is this similar to Harry's spread control as set out in "Color Quickie" in his Personal Secrets?

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In Harry's case, he's creating a situation where you can see the location of the card you want due to the orientation of the card next to it. This is achieved by holding a break with your thumb as you spread the deck face down on the table. 

In Cincinnati Force, a sidejogged card will be more exposed after a ribbon spread turnover. You're hoping the spectator will take the easiest card to pull from the spread viz. the one more exposed. The ribbon spread turnover looks so casual that the spec won't feel she's being coerced.

You might be able to use Harry's technique for the same purpose. The concept isn't a sure bet but has a relatively high success rate.

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   You're talking about my ANGLE SPREAD, guys.  I teach a number of effects using it in my last few books. You guys really gotta' start reading the good stuff.
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   The success rate of my Angle Spread - when I use it - is 100%.  No reason why it shouldn't be.
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   Oh, and my Spread Control is an entirely different concept, serves an entirely different purpose.
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    Oh, and I love the way my Spread Control is mentioned as being in my book, Personal Secrets - out of print for decades ... when it's taught and used in just about every one of my CURRENT books. An entire section devoted to it in one of them. Start reading the good stuff, guys.
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   Is anyone paying attention?!?!
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Harry,
No worries - I've been mining the good stuff since 1974 when I bought CUCM and all your books subsequent to it, up to and including BOF, Vol 2 when retirement and budgetary constraints curtailed my magic purchases. I constantly return to these books and find gems I overlooked before. Didn't mean to slight your recent publications. Love the angle spread!

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   Okay, Dave.  If the last book of mine you have is BOF 2 - wow! Sorry about your budgetary constraints but you sure are missing out on soooo much good stuff - among others ... BOF3 and the CLASSIC COLLECTION volumes...Special Effects, Only My Apocalypse, Jaw Droppers Two, And Finally!
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Your Angle Spread is amazingly deceptive. I have been using it since I was a much younger magician. Never misses. Really quite brilliant.
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I saw Jimmy Grippo doing the toss force 40 years ago and he never missed.
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The key is the casualness.  If you don't make a move out of it, the spectator will take the path of least resistance.  If they don't take it, you at least have a known key card.
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