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Now that I have my first memdeck stack fully engrained (Aronson), I'm looking for some ideas on the absolute best tricks to start learning using either the Aronson stack or stack-independent effects. 

I have a short list from Aronson's free PDF and have ordered Bound To Please to learn some of the tricks he lists there. But I'd really like to hear from you workers out there[smile].

So what are your top 3 favorite memdeck tricks (Aornson or stack independent)?

Cheers!

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Now that I have my first memdeck stack fully engrained (Aronson), I'm looking for some ideas on the absolute best tricks to start learning using either the Aronson stack or stack-independent effects. 

I have a short list from Aronson's free PDF and have ordered Bound To Please to learn some of the tricks he lists there. But I'd really like to hear from you workers out there[smile].

So what are your top 3 favorite memdeck tricks (Aornson or stack independent)?

Cheers!

Ken


Hi Ken,

Do you have time to Skype me? There is something very powerful that I learned and can be used with any memorized deck. I'm available now.

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Shuffle Tracking.
Four Stop Intersection.
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I'm a hobbyist, not a professional, but I'll throw in a suggestion anyway, because when I have performed it, it kills: Two Beginnings. It's a Simon Aronson trick, stack independent. The presentation is very engaging. Two spectators are involved. The first is asked to just think of a card, any card, and name it out loud. The second spectator is asked to touch a card. And of course the touched card is the first spectator's named card.  I love the clarity of the plot and the (apparent) simplicity of procedure. I learned a LOT working on this trick. It's published in Aronson's book Try the Impossible and is also on his DVD set. You should be able to find Simon's performance of the trick fairly easily online. I encourage you to check it out!

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Thanks Alan! That sounds awesome. And thanks to Rudy for the lesson over Skype and Thanks Mats - 2 of your tricks are in Bound To Please which JUST came today[smile]. Woohoo!

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I'm a big fan of Everybody's Lazy. Not Aronson stack specific, but it is Simon's effect.  Can't remember off hand which book it's in.
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Thanks Remillard. That one is in Simply Simon, which I don't have yet. But in "Memories are Made of This," he says it's his all-time favorite. So good call[smile]. I so need to get that book.

Thanks again!

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You can find it here:

http://simonaronson.com/simplysimon.html


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Shuffle Tracking.




What kind of routine do  you do? I do a version of shuffletracking in my set. Maybe we can exchange ideas ? I do a pseudo bj effect with it.

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Now that I have my first memdeck stack fully engrained (Aronson), I'm looking for some ideas on the absolute best tricks to start learning using either the Aronson stack or stack-independent effects. 

I have a short list from Aronson's free PDF and have ordered Bound To Please to learn some of the tricks he lists there. But I'd really like to hear from you workers out there[smile].

So what are your top 3 favorite memdeck tricks (Aornson or stack independent)?

Cheers!

Ken


Hi Ken, I only have Art Decko and use a lot of the jewels inside. Most of the contents are non-stack related. But my favourite Aronson routine is Shuffle Bored. It can be done with the stack and without. Here is vanishing incs opinion as part of their pitch on Bound to Please.

"What’s more, you get “Shuffle-Bored,” an iconic card trick that still garners chatter and acclaim more than 25 years after it was published. This trick takes dozens of pages to explain, yet it’s completely self-working. Like much of Aronson’s material, it will fool you as you learn it!"

Learn it Ken. It'll astonish you as much as your audience everytime.
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I don't own any Aronson book though i'm a big mem deck maniac ( which I realize sounds like an oxymoron ). 

I don't rank my tricks but I do get alot of buzz of doing Zen Master by Darwin Ortiz, Asi Wind's version of the biddle trick in his Chapter One, and Woody Aragon's version of Chicago opener with a mem deck from his At the Table lecture by Murphy's.

I do memory demonstrations as well as poker deals of any hand named. Jazzing, however, is the thing I do the most. Ask a spectator to wish for a card, and produce it from her hair, your pocket, from the card box ... etc. 

A phenomenal underrated book that has SUPERB mem deck material with a four spectator mind reading trick that is SICK ( though alot of thinking on your feat ) is Greg Chapman's Devil's Staircase. Disclaimer: He's a friend.  




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Thanks Medifro!

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Thanks Gareth!

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Thanks Christensen!

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So what are your top 3 favorite memdeck tricks (Aornson or stack independent)?

I only have a top two at this point. [smile]

The first is Aronson's Invisible Card.  You can find it on this dvd, which is part of L&L's $10 dvd sale:
http://www.llpub.com/zenshop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=27&products_id=2320

(It's on the 3rd disc.  I'm not sure how to link to it directly.)

Briefly: A spectator pretends to remove an invisible card from your deck and she announces what it is.  You go through the deck and show that her card is indeed missing from the deck.  She then tosses the invisible card back at the deck and it appears face-up on top.

Everybody's Lazy is also on there, and it's in the book Simply Simon as well.  Here's the effect: Two spectators each look at a card and you look at one as well.  You guess how far down each of their cards is, and then you get a spectator to correctly guess how far down your is.  It's a very odd effect!

I've only been doing them for a short time, but I've gotten great reactions in that period.  And they are both stack-independent.


 

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Thanks Gareth!

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Have you had a play around with Shuffle Bored Ken?
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Gareth, 

I just had a look at it in Bound To Please. It looks amazing but I've never done it. I'll dig into it. Have you done it?

Thanks STC. Yeah, Everybody's Lazy is cool. I have Simply Simon now[smile]. I do not have any of his DVDs. Do you know where else I can find the Invisible Card routine?

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Gareth, 

I just had a look at it in Bound To Please. It looks amazing but I've never done it. I'll dig into it. Have you done it?

Thanks STC. Yeah, Everybody's Lazy is cool. I have Simply Simon now[smile]. I do not have any of his DVDs. Do you know where else I can find the Invisible Card routine?

Ken


Hi Ken,
Absolutely I use it a lot. I use his non-stack version called Random Sample Shuffle Bored from his Art Decko book it is soooo strong and a lot of fun. His stack version I imagine would be even stronger. A little harder but stronger.
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Thanks STC. Yeah, Everybody's Lazy is cool. I have Simply Simon now[smile]. I do not have any of his DVDs. Do you know where else I can find the Invisible Card routine?

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OK. Thanks. It seems like I'm buying entire books just to get one trick a lot lately. Not that these books don't have lots of great other stuff in them.

I'll get this one eventually. Cheers!

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   You'll always get at least two tricks out of any of my books!

   As a matter of fact one of those (one out of two?) is called THE EQUALIZER, in the TREND SETTERS section of LORAYNE: THE CLASSIC COLLECTION, Volume 3. It is my entirely impromptu, any deck, any time, routine based on Shuffleboard.

   There are 122(!) effects/routines in that book - including Numero Uno and The Great Divide. And as I write at top of THE EQUALIZER - "There are quite a few items in the original TREND SETTERS that in my opinion (and in the opinion of so many others) are worth the price of the book, but if I had to select just one I think it'd have to be THE EQUALIZER. It certainly is one of the top routines I've ever devised."

     Oh, so long as I'm plugging (thanks for that opportunity) among the 119 other items in that same volume are. to cite just a few: The Illogical Double Lift, Lorayces, The Super Peek, The Non-Faro Faro, An Amazing Revelation Display, my Invisible Pass Routine, The Best Gosh Darn Impromptu Linking Effect, An Extraordinary Prediction, Double Take, Primal Screen, Out of this Galaxy, Simple Lie Detector, Universal Reversal, and over a hundred more!! What a darn bargain!


   
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Thanks for the guidance Harry! In looking at my collection, I see that I have more Harry Lorayne books and/or DVDs than any other magician on any other magic topic[smile]. And now I want more. Thanks for that:-P.  Vol 3 is next on my list after Try the Impossible.

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   Hurry up, Ken. That volume is heading toward "sold out" and I don't re-print anymore.
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I regularly perform Everybody's Lazy but one that I rarely see that is hidden away in Allan Ackerman's Las Vegas Kardma is the Three-card Location-check it out its a great routine

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I do a version of Shuffle Bored based on a Rain man idea from Lennart Green.  I start with the stack deck, have them "shuffled" using Lennart's idea of having the spectator take piles of cards, turn them over, and push them into the other  (vs. Simon's riffle shuffle, I think it is more convincing and looks very sloppy and chaotic).  I then spread the deck quickly, look at it for a second, then close the spread.  I can then tell them how many cards face up, how many reds, blacks, the number of each suit and some other observations.  As a kicker, I then tell them that if I was really like rain man, I would have remembered ever card and ask them to hand me the cards as I call them out....I go through my stack for the first 25 cards and get them all right! It's a great routine and gives you a chance to practice without much stress.

I also use it for "mental killer" by Max Krause.  I make a prediction of a business card, spread the deck on the table, have them select one and put it in their pocket without looking at it.  The prediction is shown, but it is a phone number...which is called, and the message left reveals the card.

Lastly, one that I have been playing around with is something I saw on a Micheal Vincent Video, I think it is based on a Mike Skinner routine.  Two decks are used, one deck placed in the spectators pocket (stacked deck). 3 spectators involved, two pick cards, then select random numbers......their cards are found at those positions.   The third spectator picks a card (force) and that card is found in the second deck (which has been in his/her pocket)  and the position that equals the total of the random numbers picked by the first two spectators.    Clever use of a stacked deck.

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Thanks guys! I have added those notes to my Memdeck stuff[smile].

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          I wanted to be able to present/perform Shuffleboard with a borrowed shuffled deck. So - I devised THE EQUALIZER. Originally in Trend Setters and re-written, up-dated, etc., along with Quantum Leaps,. Dingle's Deceptions - and as a bonus - The Great Divide and Numero Uno - in LORAYNE: THE CLASSIC COLLECTION, Volume 3. I can't think of a better bargain - can you?  Ya' gotta' start reading the good stuff, guys. (That is, if you want to learn the "good stuff"!!)
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    Guess nobody cares about that impromptu version. Good - just as soon keep it to myself!
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"Two Beginnings" is a great effect!

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          I wanted to be able to present/perform Shuffleboard with a borrowed shuffled deck. So - I devised THE EQUALIZER. Originally in Trend Setters and re-written, up-dated, etc., along with Quantum Leaps,. Dingle's Deceptions - and as a bonus - The Great Divide and Numero Uno - in LORAYNE: THE CLASSIC COLLECTION, Volume 3. I can't think of a better bargain - can you?  Ya' gotta' start reading the good stuff, guys. (That is, if you want to learn the "good stuff"!!)


The Equalizer is great, Harry!

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        Shhhh. Let's keep it to ourselves!!
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Hahah, I know this thread is about aronson stack tricks, but since we've become derailed a bit, Joshua Jay also has a great impromptu version of the shuffle-bored effect.  It's a great version particularly if you want to involve a bunch of people, really highlight the impossibility of what you're doing, and possible with any grimy deck even if it's missing cards or whatever.  Those interested in impromptu versions might want to check that one out as well.
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        Shhhh. Let's keep it to ourselves!!


I heard you. Too late[smile]. Trend Setters is in the house!

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The Equalizer is now in my gift:-). Thanks Harry!

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Hahah, I know this thread is about aronson stack tricks, but since we've become derailed a bit, Joshua Jay also has a great impromptu version of the shuffle-bored effect.  It's a great version particularly if you want to involve a bunch of people, really highlight the impossibility of what you're doing, and possible with any grimy deck even if it's missing cards or whatever.  Those interested in impromptu versions might want to check that one out as well.


Han, Can you tell me where I can find the Joshua Jay version?  I have interest, Thanks

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Han, Can you tell me where I can find the Joshua Jay version?  I have interest, Thanks

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I learned it from his second Penguin Live lecture, it's fantastic!
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Thanks, I have one JJ Penguin lecture, not sure if it is the first or the second.....at what time hack is it? 
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Remember: memdeck tricks are mostly stack independent. It doesn't matter whose stack you're using as long as you have a stack memorized.


Here are some of my favorites:

  • Mnemonicosis by Juan Tamariz (Mnemonica by Juan Tamariz)
  • The Three Card Location by Steve Ehlers (Las Vegas Kardma by Allan Ackerman)
  • Everybody's Lazy by Simon Aronson (Simply Simon by Simon Aronson)
  • Past-Present-Future by Simon Aronson (Simply Simon by Simon Aronson)[Card to Wallet Finish]
  • Invisible Card by Simon Aronson (Try the Impossible by Simon Aronson)
  • Four Stop Intersection by Simon Aronson (Bound to Please by Simon Aronson)
  • The Zen Master by Darwin Ortiz (Scams & Fantasies with Cards by Darwin Ortiz)
  • Last Laugh by Darwin Ortiz (Scams & Fantasies with Cards by Darwin Ortiz)
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Bill Malone has a good trick on his dvd "Malone Meets Marlo v2" called "Marlo on the Memorized Deck part 2".  (Actually, both memdeck tricks on there are good.)

Before I go on though, I should warn that there's a big downside to this trick: it does mess up the order of the cards, unless you can quickly reorder them as you're finding each person's card.  (The other memdeck preserves the order of the deck, assuming you do it a certain way.)

The effect is as follows: Person #1 cuts a small packet of cards off the top, memorizes the bottom card, and shuffles his packet.
Person #2 does the same (with the remaining deck).  Person #3 does the same, and so does person #4.

The basic effect is that you go through each packet and find each person's card.  If you can count and you're comfortable with whatever memdeck system you're using, you can do this trick.

Now this particular version on the DVD dresses things up a bit:

You pick up the first packet, pull out a card and put it on the table.  You do this for all four packets.  You then ask person #4 what his card was and show that you correctly picked it out.  You do the same for person #3 and #2.  Then for person #1, you get it wrong.  You deal that wrong card onto the table and throw the other cards to the deck.  You ask what the correct card was, and then show that you had it right the whole time.

[Bill Malone is really funny about this.  He scolds people for thinking that he actually got something wrong.  He cracks me up.]

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Anyway, I had a few thoughts about this:

1. Is it better to do it this way, or just get all four cards right the first time?  I think the version on the DVD is indeed better, though I could imagine a mentalist wanting to do the basic version without changing the final card and muddling the effect.  (Was it a sleight of hand effect, a mentalism effect, or did he use his mind to change the last card, or....?)

2. Assuming you do it the way on the DVD, for that final revelation, should you show that you had their correct card the whole time (as Malone does), or should you act like you're transforming the wrong card into the right card?  I guess this is a question I often have about changes.  If you don't mind ruining the card, you could even have the person take a Sharpie and write the correct identity on the back of the "wrong card" and show that this caused it to right itself.

3. Here's a variation I thought of that I've played around with:  Have only three people picks cards.  Pull out your three guesses and they turn out to all be wrong!  Then you ask for the correct identities and show that they've changed into the correct cards.

I performed this once, and I think there might have been too much stuff going on in the effect.  Still, I think it's worth thinking about.

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Remember: memdeck tricks are mostly stack independent. It doesn't matter whose stack you're using as long as you have a stack memorized.


Here are some of my favorites:

  • Mnemonicosis by Juan Tamariz (Mnemonica by Juan Tamariz)
  • The Three Card Location by Steve Ehlers (Las Vegas Kardma by Allan Ackerman)
  • Everybody's Lazy by Simon Aronson (Simply Simon by Simon Aronson)
  • Past-Present-Future by Simon Aronson (Simply Simon by Simon Aronson)[Card to Wallet Finish]
  • Invisible Card by Simon Aronson (Try the Impossible by Simon Aronson)
  • Four Stop Intersection by Simon Aronson (Bound to Please by Simon Aronson)
  • The Zen Master by Darwin Ortiz (Scams & Fantasies with Cards by Darwin Ortiz)
  • Last Laugh by Darwin Ortiz (Scams & Fantasies with Cards by Darwin Ortiz)


Thanks Gregantic. I haven't done any Darwin Ortiz ones yet. I should look into the stack independent tricks. 

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Bill Malone has a good trick on his dvd "Malone Meets Marlo v2" called "Marlo on the Memorized Deck part 2".  (Actually, both memdeck tricks on there are good.)

The effect is as follows: Person #1 cuts a small packet of cards off the top, memorizes the bottom card, and shuffles his packet.
Person #2 does the same (with the remaining deck).  Person #3 does the same, and so does person #4.

The basic effect is that you go through each packet and find each person's card.  If you can count and you're comfortable with whatever memdeck system you're using, you can do this trick.

Now this particular version on the DVD dresses things up a bit:

You pick up the first packet, pull out a card and put it on the table.  You do this for all four packets.  You then ask person #4 what his card was and show that you correctly picked it out.  You do the same for person #3 and #2.  Then for person #1, you get it wrong.  You deal that wrong card onto the table and throw the other cards to the deck.  You ask what the correct card was, and then show that you had it right the whole time.

[Bill Malone is really funny about this.  He scolds people for thinking that he actually got something wrong.  He cracks me up.]



I bought that DVD several weeks ago. Haven't done those tricks yet though. thanks for all that information!

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Thanks Gregantic. I haven't done any Darwin Ortiz ones yet. I should look into the stack independent tricks. 

Ken

Can anyone explain what the effect is in Ortiz's Zen Master?  I thought I read that it's similar to Everybody's Lazy, but I'm not sure if that's right.
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Can anyone explain what the effect is in Ortiz's Zen Master?  I thought I read that it's similar to Everybody's Lazy, but I'm not sure if that's right.


From the book:

Effect

The performer repeatedly demonstrates his ability to determine the location of any card in the deck under impossible conditions.
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Invisible Card - Aronson
Past, Present, Future - Aronson
"three Poker routines" - Aronson (forgot the Name - it's just in the stack [biggrin])
Zen Master - Ortiz
Banker & Broker - Ortiz
Temporarily out of order - Redford
Multiple Divination - Chapman

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Thanks Zedd! Added to the note.

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Aronson specific? Routine Maintenance - delightful poker demonstration. And it resets the stack. Great thinking..
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Thanks Sean. do you know what book Routine Maintenance is in?
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