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For a while it was the following,

- The Smash & Stab
- Invisible Deck
- ACAAN
- Mixing NLP into mentalism presentations etc

What do you think the next new trend in magic is going to be ?

Look forward to reading your thoughts..

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Generally speaking, it seems to me that electronic magic using cell phones and social media stuff is a current trend.  Unfortunately it’s something I have no interest is, since I am completely “unplugged.”


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"What's the next new thing" is the million dollar question. Whoever knows this will become a star and make a ton of $$. The question isn't "what's hot" it's "what's going to be hot." Which stock is about to soar... please let me know.

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Maybe, New age or metaphysical type of effects ? I agree with you Mike..someone is going to get rich.

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I don't know if it will be the next big thing, but I think a big thing within the next 10 years will be a large growth in the amount of gambling themed material, now that Steve Forte just increased our collective knowledge of the subject by such a massive amount.

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This reminds me of the huge wave of self levitation effects that rushed to market 20 or so years ago. I can't remember the last time I heard of anyone actually doing one.
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Several big trends occured too I'd like to add: Propless mentalism had a big jump in recent years and now is its own branch. Phone app magic became big as well and now became its unique market and theory on how to do well. Rubik cube magic became much more developed too. Social media magic on Instagram and Facebook (whether you hate it or not) became a new medium, with some magician's doing it full time like Rick Lax. Asian magic made its way to the western market initially via Vanishing Inc and now by their own websites. 

The next big thing started few months ago and now is current big thing: The online magic show; material and show design. There is a website that is didicated to it and now has big names behind it (forgot its name..). The monthly subscription model is making them big $$$$. Online magic shows are true big thing. Helder Guimarães is currently performing a theater magic show that is sold out till October, and others are following suit.

The next big thing? Not sure. But if someone figures out a way to duplicate a signature in online shows, he will make alot of money.  
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Just for fun -
Propless mentalism = cold reading
Social media magic = tv magic i.e. Max Maven Mind Games
Asian Magic making it's way here - Ching Ling-Foo = Chung Ling Soo (or the Bambergs)

Overall I agree with you. As magicians we utilize the newest technology. Many magicians used to show motion pictures as part of the show a long time ago and before that automatas - now it's cell phone apps. Just wanted to point out that, as always, everything old is new again (even if in different clothes).

BTW I have a method for duplicating signatures in online shows but it is $1 million dollars. It is priced to keep it out of the hands of the curious  (oh wait that line is old too!)[biggrin]

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I'm still working on all the old stuff!!!
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Just for fun -
Propless mentalism = cold reading. Nope. Cold reading isn't about revealing information.
Propeless mentalism is about using linguistic methods to secretly gain or force information. Psych forces, number forces and Stanyon's anagram work (expanded by Maven) are the only things that were around then to my knoweldge. Today's Propless work expanded vastly on those, as well as came up with newer principles.

Social media magic = tv magic i.e. Max Maven Mind Games. Social media magic different: Its not interactive (in fact its the opposite), and is a faster pace from TV. 


Overall I agree with you. As magicians we utilize the newest technology. Many magicians used to show motion pictures as part of the show a long time ago and before that automatas - now it's cell phone apps. Just wanted to point out that, as always, everything old is new again (even if in different clothes).  - Magicians take new techology and expand on it. Professional phone magic is a brand new genre that magicians exploited well. 


I see where you're coming from and I disagree, and I'll be specific why, as I edited above. 

I'll pay you 50$ for your new signed card secet [wink] ... pleeez [frown]



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The new thing in magic may well be a return to the old ways, when the magician was the keeper of wisdom, when the magician was the storyteller who could guide us through tough times, when the keeper of sacred knowledge kept us all connected, and reminded us of the respect required between us and the natural world.

In a previous post you made a reference to the new age or metaphysical type of effects. Perhaps it will be a magician of this sort who understands the symbolism of the magic and reconnects us all with such things.

"The underlying purpose of magic in its many aspects is not to deceive people but to encourage them to approach life and the cosmos in a state of wonder" - S.H. Sharpe
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The new thing in magic may well be a return to the old ways, when the magician was the keeper of wisdom, when the magician was the storyteller who could guide us through tough times, when the keeper of sacred knowledge kept us all connected, and reminded us of the respect required between us and the natural world.

In a previous post you made a reference to the new age or metaphysical type of effects. Perhaps it will be a magician of this sort who understands the symbolism of the magic and reconnects us all with such things.

"The underlying purpose of magic in its many aspects is not to deceive people but to encourage them to approach life and the cosmos in a state of wonder" - S.H. Sharpe


In many respects I think Doug Henning was this in his time.  Will another one arise?
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Magic for performance in Zoom type shows. There's already been a few booklets produced with this in mind, and lectures.   Stuff that has interaction without physical interaction (handling of cards and other props by audiences). That will be the marketing trend over the next 12 months .


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Magic for performance in Zoom type shows. There's already been a few booklets produced with this in mind, and lectures.   Stuff that has interaction without physical interaction (handling of cards and other props by audiences). That will be the marketing trend over the next 12 months .




There's no doubt this is where a lot of attention is being focused due to the restrictions on performing venues.

I saw a blurb that Dani DaOrtiz has come out with some new ideas for Zoom-type performing.

https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/card-magic-downloads/dani-daortiz-connected/
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I see where you're coming from and I disagree, and I'll be specific why, as I edited above. 

I'll pay you 50$ for your new signed card secet [wink] ... pleeez [frown]





Just for fun -
Propless mentalism = cold reading. Nope. Cold reading isn't about revealing information.
Propeless mentalism is about using linguistic methods to secretly gain (definition of cold reading we just didn't call it NLP - I didn't say this hasn't been expanded upon in fact that was my point)or force information. Psych forces, number forces and Stanyon's anagram work (expanded by Maven) are the only things that were around then to my knoweldge. Today's Propless work expanded vastly on those, as well as came up with newer principles.

Social media magic = tv magic i.e. Max Maven Mind Games. Social media magic different: Its not interactive (in fact its the opposite), and is a faster pace from TV. ZOOM magic is Social Media Magic and it is (in most cases) highly interactive. You pick your definition and I 'll pick mine. [smile]  If you're talking about those god awful effects that can only be done on camera then I will not discuss they are not magic they are what we call in the movie business practical effects.


Overall I agree with you. As magicians we utilize the newest technology. Many magicians used to show motion pictures as part of the show a long time ago and before that automatas - now it's cell phone apps. Just wanted to point out that, as always, everything old is new again (even if in different clothes).  - Magicians take new techology and expand on it. Professional phone magic is a brand new genre that magicians exploited well.  (Showing selected card on a cell phone is not a new genre it is an old trick using the latest technology)



I said in my post that it was "for fun". It looks like I got a discussion going and that's a good thing. We stand on the shoulders of giants. There are only so many effects in magic. Every generation of magicians believe they have the real secrets - they have discovered the NEW - and to some degree they have and to some degree they depend on modern technology with old principles which is why your argument uses the word expand so often.

BTW It is good to disagree. Thanks for thinking about magic - not many magicians do any more.  As I said this is all in fun. I'm sure we will never come to a complete agreement and I'm good with that. I hope you are as well because we all love magic.

Cheers!


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