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This could be 5 card draw or, Texas Hold em. Mine is Darwin Ortiz's Liars Poker from Scams & Fantasies With Cards and Martin Nash's Beat The Dealer from the Charming Cheat videos.

I am not looking for something hard like riffle stacking and false dealing, but something more magical.

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Right on Logan.
I really like Darwin Ortiz's "The Sting." Here it is performed by my good friend Michael Vincent.
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So many good routines to choose from but I'll go with Getting Burned by Paul Wilson from Unreal Work 2.
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You guys REALLY have to start reading the good stuff! No one here knows my LORAYNE'S POKER DEAL, MAGICIAN VS. GAMBLER, CARD SHARP & THE FOUR GAMBLERS, my TEN-CARD POKER DEAL, A MUCH BETTER CHANCE - all published years ago --- and those in more recent books like JAW DROPPERS ONE and JAW DROPPERS TWO (and even in ONLY MY APOCALYPSE) - and on and on?

Of course, if you don't want really fantastic poker demos (modesty is becoming a drag!!) - don't bother. Anyway, thanks for the plug opportunity!
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Perverse Poker Deals Posted On the Perverse Magic thread of the Genii Forum September 1, 2005 (fully explained there).

 

*          Ten Card Poker Deal

 

This effect has been the subject of a current thread under Close Up Magic in this Genii Forum.

 

I’ve always like this effect as written up in Harry Lorayne’s “Deck Sterity” (page 72) but I could never see it fitting my personality because it shows the performer beats out the spectator and that’s not my style.

 

I discussed this recently with my friend, David Levitan, a professional performer who told me that he only uses it against an obnoxious spectator. I thought about this recently and came up with the idea of presenting this as a person that knows little about poker and I lose whenever I play. (So, in effect, I will deal the losing “Jonah Card” to me instead of the spectator and I would lose.)

 

But the beauty of the original effect is that the spectator is always given a choice and still he loses so what I would do is get a spectator to “help me”. So I would use 2 spectators – the one that has a passive role as he will always win and the other, my helper that will make all the decisions that the spectator in Lorayne’s routine makes but he is making them for me since I know so little about Poker and I, not the spectator, will always lose.

 

(After I mentioned this to Bob Lusthaus, a magic friend he told me that he had seen this idea by Scott Guinn called “The World’s Worst Card Player.)

 

What I would do would be to follow the Lorayne sequence but end with his step 6 – what he calls Open Poker but instead of gloating over the victim I would get frustrated when my “helper” tells me I lost again (he has to help me because, as I said, I explain that  I don’t understand Poker very well) and my reaction is “You see what I mean? I never win at Poker no matter what! I quit!”

 

Then, after a few minutes, I would explain that someone taught me how gamblers cheat and I would, as a climax, go into the Lorayne Poker Deal as described below.

 

*          Lorayne’s Poker Deal

 

A poker deal is usually a demonstration of skill but I present this as a confused person who doesn't understand how to play cards.

 

The routine I do is Harry Lorayne's Poker Deal from page 153 of "Close Up Card Magic”.

 

I end by looking at my (dealer's) hand and show a royal flush. I look

confused and I ask the guy that said he knew poker, "Is this any good?"

 

So I did the poker deal, a show of skill but I did it in a way that I didn't

 understand what happened. It happened – but I didn’t do it –

 

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You guys REALLY have to start reading the good stuff! No one here knows my LORAYNE'S POKER DEAL, MAGICIAN VS. GAMBLER, CARD SHARP & THE FOUR GAMBLERS, my TEN-CARD POKER DEAL, A MUCH BETTER CHANCE - all published years ago --- and those in more recent books like JAW DROPPERS ONE and JAW DROPPERS TWO (and even in ONLY MY APOCALYPSE) - and on and on?

Of course, if you don't want really fantastic poker demos (modesty is becoming a drag!!) - don't bother. Anyway, thanks for the plug opportunity!


I'm sure that if given a bit of time, folks would've most definitely mentioned some of your work.

I only saw this post now and would've mentioned your Poker Deal on the list. Heck, it's the only poker demonstration that I perform!

I'll have to look up "A Much Better Chance". Thanks for the suggestion, Harry.

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   Coincidentally - and I swear I'm not making this up - as we speak I am writing a better way to do A MUCH BETTER CHANCE for AND FINALLY! (Most important is the addition of my Utility Mixer - makes the thing much, much, more impossible.)
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Harry,

I forgot to list Magician vs Gambler, my bad.

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    Hey Jerry: Very perverse!!( Hope all is well with you and yours. )
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Not really poker though it is gambling: R Paul Wilson's version of the Shuffling Lesson. He also has a trick where the spectator uses a formula to cheat at cards and win. Both are in his Killers DVD set, which is one of my favorite DVD sets of all time. 

My favorite handling of the Ten Card Poker deal is Darwin Ortiz's Mexican Poker as it has a build up that I like. The Cardshark and Four Gamblers by Harry Lorayne is phenomenal. 
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I have used Deja Vu Poker by Darwin Ortiz several times to great effect. It can be found in Scams And Fantasies With Cards.
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I like "End Poker" more and more.

I run hot and cold on "Power Of Poker". Kind of like it with jumbo cards.

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I was just reading and watching Alex Elmsley's Power Poker which with a 1 card switch would flow nicely into to Harry Lorayne's 10 Card Poker. Since  Power Poker gives limited choices to the spectator, after completing it you could then say, "let's try another way which should give you a better chance to win" and then start Harry's 10 Card Poker that leave them further baffled.

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Jack Carpenter's Ultimate Hold'em
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I don't do poker routines but there is one I like: 242 Poker by Joshua Jay.
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242 is excellent also
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I also forgot to mention the Poker Formulas from Pit Hartling.

Check out this version from Martin Eisele... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzGIFk5kZtQ

Wow!

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You guys REALLY have to start reading the good stuff! No one here knows my LORAYNE'S POKER DEAL, MAGICIAN VS. GAMBLER...?


Hi Harry, I have read the good stuff and perform both Lorayne's Poker Deal (Close-Up Card Magic) and Magician Versus Gambler (The Classic Collection Vol. 1). They are two of the most requested routines by regulars at my bar/restaurant gigs, when they return with friends and/or family. Of course (and I know you will approve), I have added my own touches to the routines to fit my style and persona.



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   Of course - what I call the "three Ps" - ya' gotta' add your own Presentation. Patter, Personality.  (Nice to know that someone knows "the good stuff"!!)
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The Three Mechanics from Jawdroppers is a brilliant poker routine. Thanks Harry.
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Don't forget to check out my Head To Head Poker from Gold Dust. There's a demo on my website/YouTube. Ask Rudy for an endorsement. I'm sure he's tried it. Cheers, Paul Gordon http://www.paulgordon.net
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I have a personal "double duke" demo that's more real than pseudo. Maybe I'll work it into a more magical piece.

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Great Job, CQ.
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Great Job, CQ.


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Here's the one by Jack Carpenter that I just put on you tube. Just wanted to share it with people who maybe haven't seen it yet.
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Most of the people who I perform for aren't interested in gambling or poker so I tend not to do gambling routines. 

However if I ever find myself with some people who do like poker then I like to do a 10 card poker deal or Martin Nash's Beat the Cheat Poker (see Nash's performance video at the link below). 

I think both Beat the Cheat and 10 Card Poker have a similar feeling, of the spectator making ALL of the choices. I really like heavily interactive tricks, and out of all the gambling routines I see, I feel like the participant gets involved so much more in both of these tricks. 

 

http://www.magicana.com/video/martin-nash-beat-cheat-poker-0



My 10 Card Poker routine is a combination of a few phases I liked from Darwin Ortiz's Mexican Poker and a phase from Woody Aragon's Blessed Poker. I recently read David Malek's book on 10 Card Poker and its making me consider changing a couple of things in my routine. 

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Lots of good ones mentioned here, some I've used, but I always liked "Psychic Poker Too" from "Magic From The Overground" and there's a variation on that in "OOPS Just Cards".   It fits the bill of being 'magical' rather than a gambling/cheating dem. 

It involves a poker hand, rather than dealing out hands of cards. 

Stewart James also published some very clever poker deal routines none of which are mentioned here. 
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https://youtu.be/Tl9AhnUBZ7A


Hi rready, Thanks for sharing this video. I’ve never seen a Texas Hold’em Poker Trick.

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I don't have it but I think there's a book called Hold'em Magic by Tom Frame but I don't know how much of the book contains actual Texas Hold'em routines. 
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I think the entire book is meant to be Texas hold’em routines. I’ve not read it but I did notice it’s on sale for £13 from Magicbox.uk.com

Also Woody Aragón has a Texas Hold’em routine which is fairly nice (in his penguin lecture and I think in memorandum). Plus Darwin Ortiz has one in Leasons in Card Mastery (which I remember being good, I think you control 3 selections to the flop as a demo of card control but then also win the hand)
And I think Jason Ladanye had one in Confident Decpetions which used a really cool technique I’d never read before, which I can totally picture my dad trying to use!
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Don't forget to check out my Head To Head Poker from Gold Dust. There's a demo on my website/YouTube. Ask Rudy for an endorsement. I'm sure he's tried it. Cheers, Paul Gordon http://www.paulgordon.net


I'll second this. I love Head to Head Poker.
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I'll second this. I love Head to Head Poker.


I also recommend this easy and powerful routing from Paul Gordon...

Here's a demo:



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You guys REALLY have to start reading the good stuff! No one here knows my LORAYNE'S POKER DEAL, MAGICIAN VS. GAMBLER, CARD SHARP & THE FOUR GAMBLERS, my TEN-CARD POKER DEAL, A MUCH BETTER CHANCE - all published years ago --- and those in more recent books like JAW DROPPERS ONE and JAW DROPPERS TWO (and even in ONLY MY APOCALYPSE) - and on and on? Many more.

     Just thought I'd remind you!!!
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Quote:
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You guys REALLY have to start reading the good stuff! No one here knows my LORAYNE'S POKER DEAL, MAGICIAN VS. GAMBLER, CARD SHARP & THE FOUR GAMBLERS, my TEN-CARD POKER DEAL, A MUCH BETTER CHANCE - all published years ago --- and those in more recent books like JAW DROPPERS ONE and JAW DROPPERS TWO (and even in ONLY MY APOCALYPSE) - and on and on? Many more.

     Just thought I'd remind you!!!


Three Mechanics was also mentioned by Gareth earlier in this thread. Another winner from the mind of Harry Lorayne!

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   That's one of the things bothering me - I'm wondering how many people here know or ever heard of Three Mechanics!?!?   All the other effect/routines I've listed - plus Lord knows how many more I've published - go without saying.
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   That's why I keep yelling - Ya' gotta' start reading the good stuff!!
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   That's why I keep yelling - Ya' gotta' start reading the good stuff!!


Please feel free to keep shouting it from the roof tops of the Magician's Forum. I've got every one of your books and have only scratched the surface of all the great material waiting to be discovered between their pages.

Thanks Harry!

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   That's one of the things bothering me - I'm wondering how many people here know or ever heard of Three Mechanics!?!?   All the other effect/routines I've listed - plus Lord knows how many more I've published - go without saying.


Here’s my rendition of The Three Mechanics as an entry to one of the contests last year. I really hope that in my hands it is not completely murdered. I think there was an early scripting effort too. Clearly not performance level yet but I’m sure if one if you guys look it up you could create something very special with this routine. Thanks again Harry.



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Heck of a trick, great job, Gareth.
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I quite like Bannon's Power of Poker from Dear Mr. Fantasy.

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    Hey Zarrow (hope your first name "ain't" Herb!) Just curious - Bannon's work is great; no question about that. But, again, just curious - do you know ANY of my gambling effects or routines discussed in this thread? Just curious.
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     Oops! Just saw that it's Sean, not Herb!!
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Of course I do Harry. I'm a proud owner of Classic Collection 1, Quantum Leaps, Rimshots, etc. I perform your effects all the time 😉

And I made my user name after a shuffle I don't even do very well lol

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Not to mention my Harry Lorayne - Best Ever Collection DVDs !

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The Cardshark and Four Gamblers by Harry Lorayne is phenomenal. 

And it was one of Martin Nash's favorite gambling tricks to do! How's that for a recommendation?!?

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Here's one by Walt Lees I did on you tube.




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