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Once again I was in my favorite morning coffee place and practicing coin stuff and a woman who was waiting for her order sat with me asked me to show her something while she waited.

I'd seen her in there before since i am a regular. I did a coins across i learned from an Al Schneider book, with three halves and a copper coin. I talked about Star Trek and how they beam people around, and when i was on the 2nd coin she began telling me how they can't really do that. They would have to destroy the person and produce another, and so on. Then her order was ready and she left. And i never got to finish the routine.

So now I am thinking I should have done something more involving, like B'wave.

What would you have done?




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lol, you got just unlucky that your spectator was a science nerd (and I am saying this in a nice way as I love science myself).

In that situation I think I would have said: "This is all fiction (S.T. and the magic) and nothing is to be taken literally.", and carried on with the effect.
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I would have destroyed her and then hope the replacement wouldn’t be so rude
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LOL. Francois is correct; you just got unlucky. For me the best answer would be, "Sure, but where's the fun in reality?!" Or perhaps, "Yeah, but look how many series and movies they've milked using the concept!"

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Destroying her, good advice for next time.

Good ideas all.

I could have argued that it worked on Star Trek, and that was the future. See what she thought of that time/space continuim.
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Since you were demonstrating it did work, you could have replied: "Yes, you're right, it doesn't work for people but it does work for coins because of their peculiar molecular structure--in fact that's how Star Trek got the idea--it was from coins."
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It sounds like she didn't really want to see magic. She was just looking for something to fill in the time while she waited for her order. I'm thinking that you could have sing a song or told a joke and she still would have left when she did.
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I agree with Dan.  On a personal note, I would not sit around in a cafe doing card or coin moves, hoping that someone would ask me to show them something.  But that’s just me …


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Evildan, you could be right, I was just a familiar regular to bide the time with.

Arthur, I don't go there hoping someone will want to see something. That is my practice place.
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Bob Farmer, that's what I am going to say from now on!
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I actually used to perform in those kinds of environments a lot.

In my opinion the more important thing is to be fun, personable, and easy going rather than to blow minds away with a trick.

Do something very quick and visual, with an obvious playful attitude. I like to produce cards from my mouth.

Multi-phase routines work well. Food comes, people drift in and out, you can't control that. What you can do is make sure everyone sees a little bit of magic. Magic (according to Ortiz) is the contrast between initial condition and final condition. So I like tricks where the final condition is 'impossible' no matter what the initial condition is. Me throwing up perfect playing cards from my mouth is an example of this, cards shooting out from the deck is also impossible.

In your shoes I would probably have been super enthusiastic to show her something, done some quick visual stuff. Then when her order was done ask her if she'd like to see one more trick, then hit her with something hard but fast.

Maybe you succeed maybe you don't, but don't let it bug you too much after the fact. If you did your best you did your best.
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Arthur, I don't go there hoping someone will want to see something. That is my practice place.


Nothing personal against you, Michaelblue, but I would never be caught practicing in a public place.


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Maybe you need to shift your script from Star Trek to The Philadelphia Experiment.
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I would have taken out my cell phone and yelled into it, "Scotty beam me up"
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I wouldn't overthink it too much as far as what you could have done differently or what quip you could have used to overcome her objection. Like Evil Dan said, it sounds like she didn't really want to see magic and was just looking to fill time while she waited for her order. Once the order was up, she'd have been gone no matter what.
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If you don't care about magic but still want to hold someone's attention and get them to stay by you longer than planned; but a long string of lottery scratch offs.

"Hi, you have a friendly face. I tell you what, I'm going to do these scratch offs right now. I'll split anything I win with you 50/50."

I'd stay.
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Or i could have said, "You don't like magic? You better leave, or I'm telling Evildan."
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If the question is actually what would I have done and not what would I have done if I were you then my answer is something short and visual. That’s because I haven’t been at it long enough and don’t have the confidence really for the longer drawn out things. I also think practicing there sounds like a great place to practice.
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Probably forgot her phone. That's why she wanted to see something?

Same place, different person on Friday. Saw me playing with cards and said, "You do card tricks?"

I did a transposition effect that i just made up one day, because i wanted to end with Williamson's 51 cards to the pocket biz.
She laughed. Then she said, "Good misdirection."

I didn't know what to say, so I said thank you.

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Maybe it’s time to go to a different coffee shop?
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I think you're right
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Maybe it’s time to go to a different coffee shop?


Haha I would agree too
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Simple dude. Destroy her!!!
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Enter Jerry Deutsch- Perverse Magic. This scenario is his area of expertise.
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Fish, i like the way you think
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Michael, you had a double-whammy-single there.

I really aim to encourage yet control interaction with the audience. The smaller the group, the more likely one is to encounter a disruptive spectator. Hecklers in a larger room are easier to control… The crowd is generally on your side.

The only instance where I perform for an audience of one is either for another magician or for a trusted layman… especially new material in beta form and I ask them, before I begin, to burn me.

It is possible to practice amongst civilians and be discreet. TMF’s own CardSharkQuixote became an amazing card mechanic at the public library. Still, you risk finding yourself in this situation.

My advice would be to say, “Yes, But we’re gonna need at least two witnesses” and corral a couple more audience members… It’s easy enough to do in that environment. Oftentimes, there’ll be other regulars who are interested to see you perform.

For these in distances I would highly recommend Gregory Wilson’s coffeehouse conjuring digital download. The routines are multi phased, diabolical, funny, fast-paced and mind blowing. Other than a few hours of home practice and a little preparation, you can be ready to slay, using items commonly found in coffee houses.

My go-to at StarBucks is Greg’ s Stain Alive

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/2886

The second part of your double whammy was the interruption.

The opener for Penn and Teller’s wonderful Las Vegas show requires all audience members to hold up their cell phones… Teller scans the crowd and selects an audience assistant. Penn smiles, then booms, “and while everyone else is holding their phones... set them to “freaking” mute!

Interruptions happen. Phones are the worst… Maneuvering to get control of the phones is a good idea with any size group.

“STEVE! Your macchiato is ready!”

Sorry Michael, I got to go…




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Just kidding… But your practice place is a “revolving door” after all. And that’s actually a good thing. Honing your audience management skills requires the double whammies.

Know-it-alls, insecure folk and dimwits are not easily “destroyed.” They interrupt, point and say, “I saw that.” They’ll stick a knife in your plot.

Overall, you had a good experience… You’ve got a solid come back if ever another questions the scientific validity of Star Trek… Courtesy of Bob Farmer—who, I believe, invented the molecule.)




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Lol, i believe you are correct. I have a feeling she wanted to pass the time while waiting for her order.
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I do want to check out that Greg Wilson stuff
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Hay ...

Here is a quick thought for you...

Think of it like sales. If you are a salesman two things can happen...

You sell them an item or idea... 

Or

They sell YOU!

You got SOLD.  Now just what did you get sold?  It seems You are dragging a lot of useless negative baggage around with you. Sorry if that sounds discouraging.  It is not my goal. I think it is wicked cool that you threw yourself out there and tried it. Most wouldn't do it, so kudos to you. But don't dwell on it for more then 2 minutes.

Have fun and drag others into it... Don't get dragged into their drama.

I loved the comment of whipping out your phone and yelling "Beam me up Scotty. The aliens are hostile and aggressive... But damn cute!"  < (Give them an out! LOL)

Be the immovable object in that they join you or they don't but you carry onward on your fun journey.  I am willing to bet had you done so you would have netted someone. It is a numbers game. We used to jump up and yell excitedly when we got rejected b/c we framed it to mean we where one rejection closer to a sell.

Attitude is everything. Leverage EVERYTHING towards your goal....  And have fun doing it.

I say this b/c she said "nice misdirection" and you seemed to take it negatively... As magi we define the meaning to everything.  So why not reframe it into something positive and fun and run with it?

"oh you caught on to the fact that my false misdirection was simply a ruse for my true missed direction that I didn't miss... no direction is wrong and not misdirection right?. The best misdirection is bad misdirection... You know (shake head -no- ) what I mean?"

As for the technical side of it ...  Maybe shorten your pitch.  LOL

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I'm not dwelling on it as much as talking to the guys about it.And a lot of nice info has been shared.
All in all, i think something quicker would have sufficed.
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But if i was to dwell on it, i would wonder if she was a magician and she left cause she thought i was no good.
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