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Hello everyone,

I'm a relative beginner in magic and have a question about memorized decks.

Regarding the selection of a memorized deck.

First a small disclaimer:
I know that many see memorized decks as an advanced technique and some people do not recommend this for beginners.

But like many magicians, I am very much in love with card magic. And since this is my biggest preference (so far), I think I would take the biggest step if I could memorize such a deck. Maybe this will lead to more magic.

I would generally say that I can remember things well and therefore see one of my strengths in memorized decks.

I also looked at Harry Lorayne's Deck Learning Theory. I think this theory will help me quickly to learn a deck. (Does anyone know if there is a "ready to use"-list of German words? I would prefer to learn the method in my native language.)

However, since it will still take some time to master the deck afterwards, I would like to stay (at least for now) with only one memorized deck.

Now we come to my real question:

Which deck should I choose?

I would list memorized decks for myself as a beginner in four possible categories:

(A) own deck
(B) mathematical deck
(C) unpopular memorized deck
(D) popular memorized deck

What am I looking for?
I am aware that most memorized tricks work with any deck. So I'm looking for practical build-in effects.

So (A) falls away for me. Because I don't have enough experience to take advantage of it.
(B) also falls away for me. Since I want to remember my deck completely anyway. Therefore I put my priority on a visually mixed deck, as one that can be recognized quickly (e.g. because the suits rotate)


So there are still (C) and (D).

I'm not sure about this. I think (D) is most likely to belong to Mnemonica and Aronson. These are very popular and have the advantage that many magicians have already developed practical tricks for these decks.

(C) has the advantage that there are certainly many more unknown decks here, which may not be immediately recognizable at first glance (although advanced magicians will probably recognize a memorized deck trick, regardless of which deck it is?).
In addition, there could be decks here that have "better" built-in effects?

My question in a nutshell: Which deck would be best suited for a memorized deck?
What are the build-in effects of the different decks? I often read some trick names. But I can't find any of their shows. So I don't know if I like them or not.

For example, I know that Aronson has a lot of poker tricks in store. However, some are also possible with Mnemonica. But do I really need lots of them?
Has Mnemonica practical build-in effects? I know it has a good way to get it from and in NDO. But are there more?

So I'm looking for a deck that provides a wide variety of build-in effects.
So I think it’s going to be a familiar deck that a lot of magicians are working on, right?

Which deck would you recommend to a beginner who starts working with memorized decks and does not yet know in which direction he wants to use his deck?

Thank you!

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     Best piece of advice I would give is  ---  learn to do great effects/routines, etc., with a non-stacked regular deck (like a borrowed
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Thank you for your advise!

I know a handfull of tricks without mem decks. I'm learning right now to handle the cards better and getting better in sleight of hands.

But I think it helps my motivation if I can also remember a deck. The nice thing is that I can learn both things in different situations. Thus, the different goals are not in each other's way.
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I recommend beginners use Si Stebbins. There is a lot of information as to why already here on the forum. Several pros use Si Stebbins so don't underestimate it.
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I certainly can't tell you what's the best, but I absolutely love some of the built-in features of The Redford Stack, as well as the ease to go to-from Stebbins. There are a few great poker deals and the routine "Temporarily Out Of Order" is just awesome, one of the best purchases I've made in magic is that book. What most people will tell you though is the best memorized deck is the one you know :)
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Blank decks are easy to remember [crazy]
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Depends on what you want to do with the stack.

If you're just going to be doing regular stack deck stuff then it doesn't matter, just learn whichever takes your fancy. 
If the stuff you're going to learn requires a specific stack then go for it.

Why learn only one stack, learn two stacks - who's limiting these?

 

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I honestly don't think you can go too wrong with any of the most popular - Tamariz, Aronson, Redford or Aragon (there may be more). I think a stack with an active "community" is a positive. I believe Patrick Redford is the most available authority and the online community somewhat active.

I would spend some time deciding on the methodology, though. It's somewhat hard to unwind.

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You can do a lot of memorized deck tricks by using just a 10-card stack.
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Thank you all for the replys.
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Why learn only one stack, learn two stacks - who's limiting these?

 

I want to start with one deck. When I have fun with mem decks and/or go deeper into magic I consider to learn more decks. But I wanted to find a good starter stack.
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I think Monica is adequate for most stack needs if you're after one to begin with.
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As a newbie to stacked decks, I've only this week started looking at The Unknown Mentalist's Karma Stack (at lybrary.com) and Anatomist Stack - while I have not yet learned them, they are clever, and importantly intuitive and look quite easy to learn. Also on my to-learn/try-out list is Pit Hartling's The Core (binary system), available at most magic suppliers. Does anyone have experience with these stacks?
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There are quite a few message threads about memdeck and stacks here, do a search and I think you'll find more than enough information.
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Heya Skorme, 

Indeed, browse the forums and make your choice.

Many good pointers there.

Mr Lorayne is right, sleights of hands are required anyway, and it's always better to know how to do magic with a shuffled deck, even better when its borrowed.
Still, Mem deck magic just enhances the overall experience. 

I generally open with mem decks, then continue on other tricks after the deck is shuffled (or do a deck switch for a finale with mem deck).

I went to the same path as you considering what deck to choose and ended up with Mnemonica (Tamariz).
Don't regret my choice at all, as there are many magicians out there using the stack, and as most have pointed, most magic is stack independent.

Mnemonica has the advantage of looking really random (compared to Redford that follows a pattern for instance - but I still want to learn Redford with time), and is also easy to get to Memorandum (Aragon) -> gives you 2 stacks decks in one!

In my decision process, I did want a popular deck because I just love meeting magicians that know it, we are then able to tag team and perform true out of this world miracles.

Many magician out there love the Redfods stack for the ease of getting into it.

Anyway, choose one and get started on it.

If you go for Mnemonica, consider the mnemonica trainer from Rick Lax.

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In my decision process, I did want a popular deck because I just love meeting magicians that know it, we are then able to tag team and perform true out of this world miracles.

This is a good point. Thank you for your advice!
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If you go for Mnemonica, consider the mnemonica trainer from Rick Lax.
I want to remember the deck with the PEG System (via Major System). I don't know what exactly the trainer teaches you. But I think I already have enough ressources to memorize the deck after learning the system. Thank you anyways.
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Mnemonica has the advantage of looking really random (compared to Redford that follows a pattern for instance - but I still want to learn Redford with time)
For whatever it's worth, Redford Stack can be pretty freely examined, especially if you cut JS or 9S to the face so you don't just have the perfect R/B sequence at the start of the spread. There are certainly patterns that may be spotted by a magician (after all, one of its main strengths is ease of going Si <-> Back by running cards), but having the 3 suited cards in a row, as well as two identical values in a row, in different parts of the spread makes it look really random to spectators, especially at a glance.

Gracie Morgan mentioned that her favorite mem-deck to work with was an unaltered Si Stebbens.
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I agree with Matt … unless you hand your deck to a magician that is familiar with the stack you're using -- and give them the time to analyze it, nobody is going to figure out what you're using, if anything. This falls in the category of not running if you're not being chased.

Remember a couple things about randomness: flipping a coin 10 times and getting 10 heads IS random … and a random number generator CAN produce 10 zeros in a row... neither of those would be likely, but if they happened, it would be random -- so no matter how the cards are in the deck... it could be random.

I'll add a comment I've said before -- one notable magician that does memdeck effects uses new deck order.... makes for pretty startling results when at the end of a routine he spreads and shows it separated... however makes it difficult to show it's random up-front.

And another comment I've said before: Other than effects that a stack was designed to do (poker deals, spelling), or effects that may have been figured out later for a specific stack -- it doesn't matter WHICH stack you memorize -- as long as you have it down cold -- there are more than plenty resources out there that are stack independent, and even many of the books by stack authors have effects and concepts that are not solely based on their stack.

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You need this book:

http://www.joyalstack.com/memorized-deck/six-hour-memorized-deck

It reviews just about every memorized and stack deck in existence so for that reason alone it is invaluable
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I am a newbie card magician, only 1 year.  I memorized the Mnemonica stack pretty easily over a few days.  After performing Asi Wind's ACAAN a few hundred times I am really quick with recalling Mnumonica. 

To memorize Mnemonica I made flash cards by writing the number of the card on the back in the PIP locations.   That way I could just flip the card over to see the number or the card value.  I'd take 10 at a time (e.g. 4 of clubs to 2 of spades) and memorize them. Sort them in order, from low to high then high to low.  Then shuffle them up and quickly recall the number or card value depending on which way I want to study them.  Sometimes I shuffled them face to back to randomly recall number or card value.   The next day i'd do 11 to 20 (queen of hearts to jack of hearts).   Each day I'd work on ten.  Eventually I'd be shuffling the entire deck of flash cards and sorting them high to low and low to high, and quickly recalling each value as I see either sides of the cards, randomly shuffled.

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   Or you may need HOW TO DEVELOP  A SUPER-POWER MEMORY, PAGE-A-MINUTE MEMORY BOOK, THE MEMORY BOOK, AGELESS MEMORY, and so on.  Please!!!
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You need this book:

http://www.joyalstack.com/memorized-deck/six-hour-memorized-deck

It reviews just about every memorized and stack deck in existence so for that reason alone it is invaluable


I was a long time picking this up. I wish I hadn't waited. Invaluable stuff.

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Agreed with everyone (love this forum more and more I must admit).

Concerning the choice of a deck, I guess its a matter of choices and confidence when it comes to the deck you choose (as some pointed, you can use a NDO for all that matters), and who you perform for. - most important thing is to have one - (or 2 as am trying to get Redford too ! - like learning Italian and Spanish...)

I never could have imagined the level of magic or miracles that are accessible with a mem deck.
The reactions are just awesome.


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unless you hand your deck to a magician that is familiar with the stack you're using -- and give them the time to analyze it, nobody is going to figure out what you're using, if anything. This falls in the category of not running if you're not being chased.


I tend to get chased a lot lately, but it may be because of my whole approach to entertainment - I do a lot of bar bets and problems, trying to tease their neurones and as a result, most of my friends tend to approach magic as a cartesian problem: "how did he do that" - I did the same and its the reason why am in magic now.

I want to learn Redford and Aragon too, especially for magician, and some stack dependent trick of theirs - love the fact I can get to and from Aragon to Tamariz.
One day one day, maybe during Covid 20, although Redfords looks really easy to memorize.

Not being a professional anymore (never really was one anyway, more of a "semi"), I mainly do tricks in bars and restaurants, where many friends hang around and often ask to see this or that trick. 

I know we are not supposed to do tricks again and again to the same people, but I do, with good success (using alternate methods most of the times depending on circumstances - my deck or theirs, in mem deck order or FASDIU).

I also hand the deck a lot I must say, either for them to pick a card, inspect or shuffle, as now, nobody wants to let me deal when we play poker, and they try to give me harder test conditions, so I might as well comply anyway (sometimes)...

One of my fav tricks has always been to let the person take the deck, choose and take a card himself (hence looking at the deck), and place it back wherever he wants himself (A la "Sherlock" By Asi wind), and I reckon the true randomness is important - there are of course many ways to do that effect and I try and use a lot of ways, mem deck or not...

Magic tricks with cards are just easier with a mem deck >.<



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       Quite honestly I've yet to see an effect or routine with a memdeck that I (or quite a few of my magic friends - like SteveCohen, David Regal, etc.) couldn't match or top with borrowed, shuffled, deck.  Just want to state my thoughts from my personal  background and experience.  So forgive the repetition, but I do think the thought is important to the few who want to really excel in card magic.

     " Best piece of advice I would give is  ---  learn to do great effects/routines, etc., with a non-stacked regular deck (like a borrowed deck.)"

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Harry, I don't see how you could match the effect of Asi Wind's ACAAN (which uses a memdeck) with a shuffled/borrowed deck.  The effect is the spectator names any card and any position, the magician just opens up the deck box, pours out the cards into hands of spectator and spectator then counts to the card and it's there.  It appears to be entirely hands off to the typical spectator, including magicians that don't know the sleight.  I am not saying there aren't tricks which are as exciting using shuffled/borrowed deck, but I don't see how you could reproduce that effect using shuffled/borrowed deck.  The trick is so magical because it's so "hands off".

Is it really necessary to do the above trick to entertain a crowd, no.  But I chose to learn memdeck so I could do it because I liked the effect.  I like performing it.  I think people shouldn't be shamed for doing tricks they enjoy, and it doesn't mean they can't do other tricks with a regular deck just because they know and use a stacked deck.

Also, if a spectator wants to shuffle the memdeck, I say sure, and then just do a different trick. It's a regular deck of cards after all.  At least it isn't gimmicked with roughing, short edges, rounded edges etc..  (Btw, I created a trick the other night using memdeck which reproduces the effect of invisible deck.. so I don't even need to carry invis deck with me anymore.  I can also reproduce the effect of brainwave with memdeck as well and one off color card.)

I can keep one or two spare memdecks in pocket or purse or whatever so I can get back to that trick later, if spectator insists on shuffling.  Just do a deck swap mid show -- like by doing a rubberband trick or coin trick in between.  You can also buy decks already in Mneumonica stack order.  So open up the seal in front of the spectator, do a few false shuffles and false cuts and perform whatever memdeck trick.

If I get spectators which say, your deck is a trick deck, then at that point I'll ask someone for their deck of cards, and just do tricks with that deck the rest of the night.
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Harry, just wondering, do you ever keep a card with different color back on you or a duplicate card?  Two of my favorite tricks to perform are Chicago Opener and Hand Sandwich (Here Then There).
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Memdecks have been the flavour of the month for a few years now. But I've only ever seen three people use a memdeck: Tamariz in Edinburgh about a hundred years ago, and a local magician pal of mine. He's very humble and wouldn't appreciate the publicity. His choice is Aronson. And my old pal, Peter Kane. He learned Nikola long before the others were even dreamed of.


Of course, the fact that I've only seen three doesn't mean others haven't snuck up on me.
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I love this memdeck routine by Asi Wind.  I actually saw David Blaine perform this trick first on a morning show, but then saw the following routine after I learned it was an Asi Wind trick.  I was so blown away, that this is when I decided to learn a memdeck.



Another presentation of his of same trick:

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  Hi Jennifer:  I  know that you're fairly new to card magic.  Because over the decades I must have written this phrase hundreds of times - "To each his (or her) own."  What works for you is fine, is great.    a) I'm not a fan of ACAAN effects.  b) No; I never carry duplicate cards of any kind.  I work only with - and have been doing so - for about four decades - borrowed decks.  Now, here's some history:

         When I was quite young and doing card stuff at a friends house (with his deck) after a while I'd excuse myself to use the bathroom and I'd casually take the deck with me. And in the bathroom I'd memorize the position of every card in the deck. Then, of course, I did some memdeck things for the people.  I haven't bothered for many decades - why? - because I can impress them just as much, if not more, without bothering.  Okay, now  - I've written the following quite a few times - also in my memoir (which Mei Brooks suggested i call a "rememoir") - BEFORE I FORGET  --- so forgive the  repetition please, if you've read the following  before:

        I was doing table magic at Billy Reed's Little Club in NYC - I was about 19 years old.  I thought card magic would be my life's work; my career.  I was into memory work mostly with cards, but "used" that mainly for magic friends. And yes; there I used a couple of trick decks - since there was no way to borrow a deck. I remember always using the Devano Rising Card deck (which I'm sure few remember now - I'd switch it in,, of course.) But mostly a regular deck. Okay, now ...

        A famous actor came in one evening with a friend. I did my standard stuff for them. The actor (Victor) came in two nights later with a different friend. i did he standard "act" but since Victor had already seen it, I did one different routine for him.
     Long story short - he came in with a different friend about 15 or 16 times. Each time I did a different effect for him. Until I ran out of tricks to do for him.  The only thig I had left was a memory trick. At that time, I really thought that that would be scraping the bottom of the barrel - but no choice.  Here's the routine I did for him - the routine that changed my life:

    I asked him to shuffle the deck. He did. Then I asked him to call off the cards in a fairly rapid manner.  He did. I had him turn the squared deck face down and asked him to  give me a number between 1 and 52.  He said "twelve" - I said, "eight of clubs".)  I told him to count down to the 12th card, not to disarrange the positions of the cards. The 8C was 12th.  I did that three times.

     Then I asked him to name any card; he said 2D; I said "23" and that's where the 2D lie.  I did that three times.

      Then - "Victor do you know poker? Good. What's the best poker hand. Right, a royal n flush. What's your favorite suit, clubs, hearts, spades or diamonds? Spades?  Okay; check the 18th, 24th, 29th, 31st and 43rd cards in the deck."  He did - and found the five spade royal flush cards!"

      Now, the point:  Victor stood up, started to applaud, then raved out loud - "Harry, the sleight of hand you've done for us over the last few weeks was/is amazing; best I've ever seen, but what you  just did ---"  And he raved, really raved, about the memory piece. That changed my life!!!

       i had no idea how strong the memory stuff I did was, not really - until then. Again; long story short --- card magic is still my first love, but obviously memory work became my (thankfully) quite successful career.

       So, that's it, Jennifer  --- I really don't remember why I've taken up all this space to tell you this story!!!!!!!!

















       

      
      

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That's so awesome Harry!  I have no clue how you do it!  I watched the 1958 show in black and white the other day (forget name of show) where you started naming off audience members!  AMAZING!   I just kept shaking my head!  You are the MASTER of memory πŸ˜‰. I bet you could still name most of those audience members looking at them again, even after they have aged πŸ˜‰
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If I've read that before, I love it again! -- I suppose my memory isn't what it used to be either πŸ˜‰

And, I know I've said this before --- I'd give away all my books and everything but a deck of cards if I had been born with your gift(s) in using your memory and cards!


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    Thanks for "them kind words" folks - but I teach all that stuff in my books.
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I'd give away all my books and everything but a deck of cards if I had been born with your gift(s) in using your memory and cards!


You can LEARN it. Take a look at Harrys Books. It's a learnable skill. You won't get born with it.
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Harry, I feel that might be akin to B.B. King saying something like "Thanks for them kind words folks,  but I teach guitar in my books" πŸ˜‰ You're the Memory Maestro πŸ˜‰
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I read Harry's memory book when it first came out.. have used that material over and over as I've said many times.

My point is not everyone can learn everything... you could NOT have taught me basketball when I was a youngster and molded me into an NBA all-star for instance. I've had MANY guitar students over the years but only had one that had the natural ability that could have become a pro.

I think you can learn the memorization... but not just everybody could stand in the doorway to a show and introduce yourself to everyone as they walked in, then later during the show name every person in the room by sight. Others have learned that, but I'm not sure everyone can.

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   Jennifer: Yes, that was my first national TV appearance - 1958.   You can see one of my appearances on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson 30 years later (I was much better looking!) by going to my new website - harryloraynemagic.com . Click on 'Videos". 
      
     There are three videos there - me doing my magic square thing (I closed my show with that), 40 people saying happy birthday to me four years ago (90th) and one of my 24 appearances on The Tonight Show. Some talk, and then I do the names and faces thing - much better than the one you mention - no throwing balls into the audience, etc. 
          If you want to see some interesting cad stuff scroll down from those and you'll see a bunch of videos taken from my "Best Ever" DVD 4-vol. DVD set.   
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OMG I just watched your Magic Squares video.. my brain just exploded!  Amazing!  Wow.. I want to learn that trick!  Were you the first one to make it total the chosen number in so many different ways? 

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Oh wow you teach that trick in "The Magic Book" -- I have an autographed copy from you.  To be honest when I first saw the trick in the book I sort of skipped over it because I thought it was just making the rows, columns and diagonals total the number... but what you do is genius.  So glad you include the trick in this book.  Definitely gonna be all over this trick soon!  I'm pretty quick with math.
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     Honestly don't know if i was the first one to reach the named total so many different ways. in the magic square. Too many decades since i started performing it.  Sometimes this great memory doesn't help!!  Truth of the matter is - if i don't apply my memory methods/systems my memory is worse than anyone else's.  That's another long story that I've written about often enough - my dyslexia/lousy memory - gave me a career.

     if you're pretty quick with math you can make it much quicker, MUCH quicker, if  you read MATHEMATICAL WIZARDRY. It contains many of the items I performed when I was doing a "Lightning Calculation" act in my mid-teens.  Like multiplying two 3-dgit multiplication problems mentally - in seconds, etc.   (Under the title it says - How to make people think you're a genius when you're not!)

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      Oh, and Jennifer, lesson learned I hope --- don't skip over any of my writings!!!
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Memory is use it or lose it, as is concentration, which at my age, as I have felt my once ironclad memory springing leaks, is motivation enough to dabble in memory methods for magic. Rather than use memory to improve my magic maybe magic is a good way to improve my memory.
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Harry, I feel that might be akin to B.B. King saying something like "Thanks for them kind words folks,  but I teach guitar in my books" πŸ˜‰ You're the Memory Maestro πŸ˜‰


BB WAS the book πŸ˜‰

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Harry, my long term memory is actually as good as ever. Sometimes painfully so. Something will trigger a tiny detail from decades ago I had long forgotten, so I thought. But day to day existence, man, I’ll go up the stairs for something and forget what by the time I get to the top. I’ve had some basic tests done by my doctor just to make sure I’m not slipping into dementia. It’s absent mindedness and short term memory like water through cheesecloth. I’m 54. Do your books have different focuses, like is there one geared towards just making it through the day, as opposed to, say, retaining large sets of data?

And yes it’s gotten worse since the pandemic so I know anxiety has a lot to do with it.

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I use Mnemonica and love it.  But here's my experience and opinion.  Almost no one I know uses the built in effects of the any stack. There are great things in Tamariz's book but I just don't use the built-in effects because regular (stack independent) material is sooo good. 

If I were to do it all over again, my main thing I would focus on in deciding which stack is how easy it is to get in and out of new deck order. It can be done with Tamariz but it's not easy.  I would learn Skinner's stack (one of them) which is five(?) faros.  Stack looks shuffled but then it's only three faros to get back to new deck.
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    Anyone of my books on memory training will do both for you --- help get you through the day and/or help you remember large sets of data - or ANYTHING you want to remember; I wrote those books JUST FOR YOU!!!
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Harry, if I were to buy only one of your memory books, which one should I get Harry?
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PAGE-A-MINUTE MEMORY BOOK  or AGELESS MEMORY or THE MEMORY BOOK.  You'll see them at harryloraynemagic.com .  When you decide email me at harrylorayne@earthlink.net .  Some changes are being made at the site - when you contact me I'll tell you were to PayPal, and etc.  H. 
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    Oh, and you'll need ONLY ONE of my books   --- unless you're still in school...then you sure could use SUPER MEMORY-SUPER STUDENT.
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To echo what Mr. Lorayne is saying, one of the great side-effects of learning a memdeck is using the memorization techniques (peg system for me) in other areas of life.  It really has been beneficial!
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Blank decks are easy to remember [crazy]


Do you recommend red backs or blue? Poker or bridge cards?
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     Wow...one more and we'll have The Three Stooges!!!
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