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SpareTopChange

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I was looking at a John Guastaferro routine ("Intuition" and "Out of the Blue") and part of it involves the backs of four cards changing. 

On his DVD, he changes the backs from red to blue.  In his book "One Degree" he recommends using a Golden Nugget deck instead of blue Bicycles for the extra impact (since those backs look *really* different from Bicycle backs).

When I looked up Golden Nugget decks on Amazon, I found different decks where the cards weren't rectangular; two of the corners were cut. 

The other consideration is that I'd also want to find cards where the faces look similar to Bicycle faces so that the cards don't look out of place among the real Bicycles.

What cards would you use (alongside Bicycles) if you were going to change the backs during the effect?

Sorry if this wasn't clear.  Let me know if you don't understand the question.
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Different color Tally-Ho Circle Backs.
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There are tons of decks that aren't expensive that would greatly contrast with a blue or red bike. The Phoenix decks come in green and other colors and have Bike faces. There are tons of others as well. A deck of original Golden Nuggets would be expensive.

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The Bicycle "Dragon" decks are colourful and relatively inexpensive - I'm pretty sure they have regular Bicycle faces.  You can get them on Amazon.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71ARZIzrH7L._SY355_.jpg
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Thanks for all your replies!  I think I might go with the Bicycle Dragons, though I'm still considering my options...
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Thanks for all your replies!  I think I might go with the Bicycle Dragons, though I'm still considering my options...

...except that the faces of the Dragons are different from the faces of regular Bicycles.  And I think it's pretty noticeable too.
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The Dragon decks will have different colors than the standard Bicycle as well. I like the red Dragons but they have a green accent to the court cards. And the blue Dragons have two suits in blue along with blue accents.
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Hi.

I'm not familiar with the effect, so the following may be redundant.

When deciding on what cards to use when odd backers are required, it can be interesting to look close at the actual effect - is the effect a card changing colour, or is the effect a transformation ?

If the former, I feel its important to have the different coloured back of the same design (a blue bicycle back becomes a red bicycle back for example). This keeps the actual effect, in this case a card changing colour, clear to the spectator.

When a different colour and back design is used it changes the effect into a transformation. It is no longer the same card that's changed colour - its transformed into a different card all together.

The actual effect you're trying to create will dictate the type of card you use.


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Good point jim.
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is the effect a card changing colour, or is the effect a transformation ? If the former, I feel its important to have the different coloured back of the same design (a blue bicycle back becomes a red bicycle back for example). This keeps the actual effect, in this case a card changing colour, clear to the spectator.


It's tough to say. 

When John G put together his video, he just had the backs change color.  The effect was that he made the backs of the cards change.  In the book, he basically said, "I started using Golden Nugget cards to make the change even more dramatic!"  I think this was a good idea too; the effect has nothing to do with colors; it has everything to do with something changing.

Now the entire first half of the effect ("Intuition") has nothing to do with changing backs.  Half the point of Intuition is to get you to see the performer casually handling eight cards which are "obviously" all from the same deck.  (It's still a good effect on its own though.)

This sets you up for "Out of the Blue" when 4 of 8 of the red backs turn blue. 

So I think the answer to your question is that the backs of the cards dramatically transform themselves, but it's important that no one anticipates this climax.  That's why I want the faces to look like Bicycle faces.

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The Dragon decks will have different colors than the standard Bicycle as well. I like the red Dragons but they have a green accent to the court cards. And the blue Dragons have two suits in blue along with blue accents.


That's good to know - I've only seen the Dragon decks in photographs - I didn't see the different colours on the faces.

In that case I would take Mike's suggestion of getting some of the different coloured Phoenix decks.
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Red Dragons - notice the green highlights in the court cards. Bicycle%20Dragon%20Back.jpg 
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Blue Dragons - ugh. bicycle-blue-dragon-cards.jpg 
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