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I saw this video on Reddit and wanted to share it here. I understand that most of the effect is getting from ndo to his stack, but I am impressed by the fact that he does not touch the cards once the deck is given to the spectator (before the spectator names his card). Interesting...  

I can assume that one of you can tell me in which book this routine can be found. [biggrin]

Anyways, I hope you enjoy it.


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It seems to be a "The Trick That Cannot Be Explained" variant. Clearly any card can be named. You need a good out for all cases. Here, in Tamariz stack, the named card was 10th which lends itself to a name spelling out. The required skill is to have a good way to get there no matter what. Check Mnemonica. 

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It seems to be a "The Trick That Cannot Be Explained" variant. Clearly any card can be named. You need a good out for all cases. Here, in Tamariz stack, the named card was 10th which lends itself to a name spelling out. The required skill is to have a good way to get there no matter what. Check Mnemonica. 

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Hey Mike!

Thank you for the response. I had not thought of that, that maybe it turns into a different routine depending on the said name and the card that was named. It still seems like routine that takes some courage to pull off. I wonder what one does when the 11th card is named but then a very long name is said. Interesting to think about. I will purchase the Mnemonica book in the future, when I have more time and money. It is on my list. Also, I really love diminishing returns! One of my favorites.

Thanks again!
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Thanks Alex! DR is a goodie.

BTW Eugene Burger has some great ideas for creating miracles like the one on the Blaine vid. I think Mnemonica will open your eyes to the possibilities.

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Great job, David!

This is most definitely a version of "the trick that cannot be explained".

Alex, let me know when you're ready to learn the Mnemonica stack. I'm thinking of having a special session where I show you fellas how I was able to learn the stack using some memory techniques that I learned in Harry Lorayne's "Complete Guide to Memory Mastery".

You can find this book at http://harryloraynemagic.com/memory-products.html

As you can imagine, the trick that you saw David Blaine perform in that video, it is just the tip of the iceberg [smile]

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I have an absolutely foolproof procedure for the trick that cannot be explained. In fact I call it the trick that CAN be explained. No stacked deck is necessary and I have no idea why David Blaine had to "shuffle" the deck about half a million times in such a soporific manner. . My method is NOT something you make up as  you go alone and it is the same procedure every time. Something I invented myself. Maybe I will explain it, maybe I won't. I tend to explain things when I am in a good mood which happens once every three months or so.
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I just love his presentation style.  No patter at all.  Just shuffles silently into mnemonica, then gives directions, and that somehow adds to the whole thing.  I could never get away with that.  I saw a trick he did for Ricky Gervais, where he sticks a needle through his arm, and just endlessly repeats.  "Doesn't that look real?"  It's just brilliant on a different level.
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Great job, David! This is most definitely a version of "the trick that cannot be explained". Alex, let me know when you're ready to learn the Mnemonica stack. I'm thinking of having a special session where I show you fellas how I was able to learn the stack using some memory techniques that I learned in Harry Lorayne's "Complete Guide to Memory Mastery". You can find this book at http://harryloraynemagic.com/memory-products.html As you can imagine, the trick that you saw David Blaine perform in that video, it is just the tip of the iceberg [smile] Rudy


Hey Rudy,
Yeah what a great trick. It must feel great, as the performer, to have the variables roll perfectly like that, giving an incredible experience to the spectator. Many of the Mnemonica routines I have seen are just incredble, I can not wait to begin the learning process, when I have the time to commit.

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I just love his presentation style.  No patter at all.  Just shuffles silently into mnemonica, then gives directions, and that somehow adds to the whole thing.  I could never get away with that.  I saw a trick he did for Ricky Gervais, where he sticks a needle through his arm, and just endlessly repeats.  "Doesn't that look real?"  It's just brilliant on a different level.


Ha exactly. He is forcing him to say, "IT IS REAL!" (which it is, oddly enough)

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The procedure for getting into Mnemonica is very tedious. You need a new deck which is already problematic. Why not just introduce a "new deck" which is actually a repackaged deck in mem order and do a false shuffle. The fact that it's a named card is the really important thing here. All that shuffling to get into Mnemonic order - yikes. He had to start his Faro over a few times too. I think that procedure detracts from the effect more than using your own deck in mem order.

What about a good deck switch from a deck that's been shuffled by specs etc.

Or why not use Darwin's method for getting into Si Stebbins? All you need is the location of the named card and a ton of outs.

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The procedure for getting into Mnemonica is very tedious. You need a new deck which is already problematic. Why not just introduce a "new deck" which is actually a repackaged deck in mem order and do a false shuffle. The fact that it's a named card is the really important thing here. All that shuffling to get into Mnemonic order - yikes. He had to start his Faro over a few times too. I think that procedure detracts from the effect more than using your own deck in mem order.

What about a good deck switch from a deck that's been shuffled by specs etc.

Or why not use Darwin's method for getting into Si Stebbins? All you need is the location of the named card and a ton of outs.

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Hi Mike,

I can get into Mnemonica from NDO in about the same time that David does in this clip. I would never do that in front of a spectator. I think that he can get away with 2 minutes of dead time because he's David "friggin" Blaine [smile]



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Agree, he was over 3 minutes setting the deck. DB or not I almost fast forwarded though all of that.
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Dead time is part of his persona.  He entertains because he's not doing much of anything.  With all the users that close, I would perhaps just have the deck in mixed order, but just two faro shuffles away from being in the Tamariz stack.  So not too knuckle busting, but showing real shuffles.

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The trick is called Mnemonocosis, which basically is the trick that cannot be explained using a memorized deck. Not basically, it just is.. Just see what card the spectator names and work your way to the card, David got one of the best possible outcomes here [biggrin] Why not go from NDO to Mnemonica if you can borrow a new deck? If you can do it fast and talking about breaking the deck in and do a couple of false shuffles, who cares? I would do it if the opportunity is there.. People don't know faros so for them it's just like you shuffle the cards.. You can also say something like: when I handle a brand new deck I always give it a few shuffles so the cards get less slippery and don't fall all over the place when someone handles it..
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Dead time is part of his persona.  He entertains because he's not doing much of anything.  With all the users that close, I would perhaps just have the deck in mixed order, but just two faro shuffles away from being in the Tamariz stack.  So not too knuckle busting, but showing real shuffles.

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Agree with Green here.. Just give your deck 6 out faros before your perform so you are only two away.. Or have the spectator riffle shuffle the deck and cull it back to your original stack order [smile]

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Or just start with partial stacking your deck, do a trick that don't alter the stack and go ahead and finish your stacking with a couple more faros.
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There was a 2nd part to this video, but it seems to have disappeared. Had a few more routines that he performed.
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Just postulating but do you think he's considered his audience here. He's at the Cambridge Union which I would expect to be full of super genius, off the scale 160 plus IQ's. I think maybe he knows that they are very likely there to try to catch him out. I think for that audience the set up might be just the thing. all the set up takes those students full attention. They would all be trying to calculate where the cards are and keep up. I think he's probably thought about his audience. if that is the case its pretty smart. in contrast down at my local pub or footy clubi'm pretty sure i'd loose the audiences attention inside 30 seconds (this is assuming I can get to mnemonica from NDO inside 6 hours which I can't)

I just think maybe its just good audience recognition  and management.  
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Just postulating but do you think he's considered his audience here. He's at the Cambridge Union which I would expect to be full of super genius, off the scale 160 plus IQ's. I think maybe he knows that they are very likely there to try to catch him out. I think for that audience the set up might be just the thing. all the set up takes those students full attention. They would all be trying to calculate where the cards are and keep up. I think he's probably thought about his audience. if that is the case its pretty smart. in contrast down at my local pub or footy clubi'm pretty sure i'd loose the audiences attention inside 30 seconds (this is assuming I can get to mnemonica from NDO inside 6 hours which I can't)

I just think maybe its just good audience recognition  and management.  


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Gareth, I completely agree.

We can hem and haw all we want about the time he took to get into his stack, but that's all irrelevant when you look at the reaction he achieved. They were blown away! And I guarantee they immediately after forgot about all the "dead time" before hand.

And your comment about audience management is spot on. If there is one thing he is one of the best in the world at, it is exactly that. I respect him so much for that. He is truly a student of magic psychology. Of course he wouldn't have done a trick like this when doing street magic, but in this case he knew his audience and it was incredibly effective.
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that was beautiful, probably my favorite effect from the mnemonica books
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I saw this video on Reddit and wanted to share it here. I understand that most of the effect is getting from ndo to his stack, but I am impressed by the fact that he does not touch the cards once the deck is given to the spectator (before the spectator names his card). Interesting...  

I can assume that one of you can tell me in which book this routine can be found. [biggrin]

Anyways, I hope you enjoy it.



Wow I faro the exact same way as DB in the video above.  What do you call this style of faro'ing?  Does it work with Sam's Club bicycle cards?  Or better with elites? I thought I did it wrong.
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That is an in the hands faro shuffle (the most common and "easier" way to faro shuffle)... as opposed to a tabled faro (much more difficult to do than the in the hands version)...

The cards I usually use are Sam's Club Bicycle cards and yes it is easy to faro them after 4 or 5 shuffles. Elites of course are easier to faro... 

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Another common method of performing the Faro shuffle is to hold the cards with faces parallel to the floor instead of in a vertical orientation as DB does. Generally the left hand is palm upward while the right hand is palm downward. Both methods work well. 

As luigimar mentioned, the tabled faro is MUCH more difficult. Not only do you have to nail the cut at 26/26 but you have to control IN/OUT and get no discrepancies in the weave. It's very difficult to consistently get a perfect weave. Jason England has an excellent video on the tabled faro. His philosophy is to not cut bad shuffles. I like that honesty. So on the video you'll see him miss the shuffle sometimes. 

I think it's important to see and hear a riffling action as the tabled shuffle transpires. Martin Nash does this very well. It's much easier to butt the packets and allow the weave to happen as it does in the hands. But then there's no riffling action.

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Jason England has an excellent video on the tabled faro. His philosophy is to not cut bad shuffles. I like that honesty. So on the video you'll see him miss the shuffle sometimes. 

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Not at all sure what you mean here Mike. Can you clarify for this thickoe?
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Just shuffles silently into mnemonica


Uh, HOW?  I saw him do some sorting, (a little excessively for my taste) but how do you "shuffle" into mnemonica?   Especially face down?

ETA:  Oh, I guess some other people below you answered.  Seems incredibly difficult but I'll look into it.
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I am really liking The Redford Stack.  Really natural looking setup from NDO in front of spectator. No face up sorting of cards in US NDO to get to European NDO.  Only what appears to be a shallow cut, short sequence of OHS and two faros.. done!  (30 seconds maybe). You are then in Si Stebbens. Then shuffle again with an OHS sequence (15 seconds) and you are in Redford. Same sequence gets you back to Si Stebbens.
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