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Wow, this trick is amazing!  I just saw his video presentation of it yesterday, then found out it was in The Magic Book.  I just sat down to actually read it, thinking it was going to be a difficult trick, but after reading a couple paragraphs I realize it's not that hard at all -- well worth it!  I'll definitely be working on this one!  He explains it so well in the book along with the presentation / patter.

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    Hey Jeniffer, it's LORAYNE.
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Sid Lorraine and Harry Lorayne are not brothers, believe it or not ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

Amazing effect! Harry, you told me to get The Magic Book a little while ago over Zoom...that and The Memory Book have been the two best purchases I've made all year. So much gold in there, and most of it isn't too difficult to learn!
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Topic Name corrected so we can now focus on the topic, please...

And yes, it's a great effect...


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Amazing trick, there is so much scope for presentation in this. I remember having a friend who said he could never make this entertaining (and he was the most entertaining person I'd ever seen, but it never quite worked for him), at the same time I was closing sets with it.
I also knew quite a few people for whom the magic square was a signature piece despite adding almost no presentation.

I ended up stopping to focus on other things, and because too many other people were doing it (although the craze seems to have died).

If you want to do more mathematical tricks grab mathematical wizardry, also by Harry. I used to really fry people with it. Like get them to the core with that stuff. I'd frame my presentations in the context of card counting, advanced password guessing, and other things of that ilk (I picked up that tip from a Richard Osterlind lecture, make your abilities the stuff of wish fulfilment that any politician or CEO would kill to have). It can be part of a light hearted set, but in the end after playing with it for a while, I went back to more visual card stuff. You don't have to frame it like I did, but I wanted to make it seem like I wasn't using mathematical shortcuts, but more that I was just feeling the numbers, and applying them to certain situations.
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Fantastic performance by Mr. Lorayne!  

I always wished I would have been able to put this routine into my educational school shows.  But alas, I failed maths at school, and to this day Iโ€™m still very slow with numbers.

Nevertheless, I have nothing but admiration for Harry's presentation.



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Arthur, it's just one simple math calculation and all the rest is memory!  Super easy!   Do you have Harry's book?
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Itโ€™s no use with me, Jennifer.  Iโ€™ve bought books containing mathematical tricks in the past (including Harryโ€™s), but despite trying really hard, Iโ€™ve come to the conclusion that numbers are my nemesis.


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It's just a single two digit subtraction problem. That's it.  Rest is memory.
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The important thing here, IMHO, is explaining to the audience some very important facts. First: what a magic square is; second: what others ("the mathematical genius") did; and third: what he intends to do. In this masterful presentation, this takes 4:18 minutes and it's very evident that the audience is totally interested all the while. One should particularly notice that Mr. Lorayne tells his audience he is going to surpass the "mathematical genius" by filling the square "without thinking" instead of taking a minute or two thinking the thing out.

Also, Mr Lorayne keeps up his sleeve the four-corner, mirror diagonals, inner squares. He only talks about horizontal lines, columns and diagonals adding to the selected number and brushes by them at the denouement, telling the audience they can check them out by themselves. But when he reveals that the other combinations (that he didn't even mention in the explanation at the beginning) also add to the selected number, that's when the real surprise and audience reaction come in. Thus, by keeping this a surprise he keeps the climax from sagging, which could easily happen since the audience knew from the beginning what the effect was going to be.

This is a masterful presentation that should be studied, not to copy Mr Lorayne's way of performing it, but to really learn how to present a trick that could very easily be a flop if not presented properly.
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Excellent analysis, Mark!

Jennifer: No matter how simple it might be for some people, I'm hopeless with addition, subtraction, multiplication, division. 

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Made up sheet you can print out to practice magic squares trick.  It's in PDF format:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tsq93cW6LcjnhJr0WqRbpDRJvL_ZBsNr/view?usp=sharing

I printed out a few and going to see if I can do this trick!  I have it memorized!
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VERY impressive Harry!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Way to cool!

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    Thanks for all "them kind words," folks.  Glad you enjoyed!
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I've mentioned many times here,  Harry's approach and method to this has made the "Square" one of my absolute  favorites of all time. I toss it into a show whenever I can. I present it as a late-night tv huckster from the 1970's (anyone remember Johnny Carson's Art Fern? That's the idea!) 

After I breathless go through all the permutations and combinations, I turn the paper over saying I'll show the most difficult way of doing this: making all those combinations work out with a single square!" I draw a big square on the paper, but instead of dissecting it into 16 squares, I just write the target number in big bold print. I slam the marker to the paper, "There! Done! I'm exhausted!"

This always gets a laugh, but it also cements the impossibility of what they just witnessed.
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Harry's performance of this is so much more impressive than Osterlands:



Osterland complicates it by trying to make the square look more "balanced".  It takes the magic out of it how slow he writes it down.  Also makes it harder to do the math at the end to prove it all.  It would of been better if he did it on a chalkboard like Harry did -- or a white board.  Harry's presentation is so much better / exciting, adding in plenty of humor and build.  I like how Harry starts writing it down immediately after the number is said.  Much more interesting.  The whole "balancing" of the square is unnecessary if you ask me.  You can memorize another square template if you want to as well to make it different if you are re-doing the trick from table to table.  Example of another square template -- this is the one I currently have memorized and use; I like it because the first row number is in last column allowing me more time to do the calculation while I write down the 7,12,1.

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Jennifer,
Tori Noquez, a member of the Forum, has a terrific take on Harryโ€™s square too. Easy and effective.  Check it out on Penguin!
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Oh I see she uses the horizontal mirage image of the template I use above.  I like mine better because I have time to do calculation in my head while I write down 7, 12, 1. I write it down everything from left to right without skipping any squares.  I do all the math for all four cells while I am writing the rest down, so there is no pauses and left to right from top row to bottom.
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I was really referring to her presentation of it, not the method.
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Yeah.  I really like Harry's presentation best of all of them ๐Ÿ˜‰ 
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I also like to write out the whole square in front of them in plain view like Harry does.  That makes it so magical ๐Ÿ˜‰
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Simon Aronson has a great magic square with cards in Art Decko.
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   Seems like 100 years ago I published a routine of a magic square with cards - in one of my early books. Do some resarch.
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   Seems like 100 years ago I published a routine of a magic square with cards - in one of my early books. Do some resarch.


As you command.

Personal Secrets pg. 39 The Fantastic Card Square

PS. Only a little over half that time...56 years!!๐Ÿ˜‰

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    I'm gonna' stick with my presentation.   
     
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    I'm gonna' stick with my presentation.   
     


Yeah I am gonna stick with your's too ๐Ÿ˜‰. It's hard to improve upon perfection!
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Harry Anderson has an outstanding take on the Magic Square. It's buried in a set of notes. The grid is folded so that only one panel shows. He writes a number there and then fold it over, uncovering another panel on which a number is written. I think he asks questions before each number is written. Can't remember how these question relate to the numbers. I think it's a comedy bit. At the end, he unfolds the paper which is now seen to contain 16 numbers.... There's no memory work either. I think you write a tiny message to yourself in pencil on each panel. The note tells you what do mathematically. I haven't looked at this for a while. Hopefully this description is accurate.

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     This makes it much, much, more important to stick to my own presentation. MUCH more
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My first math calculation is to subtract 20.  Then for each subsequent row, I do relative calculation based on previous calculations.  -20, -1, +3, -1.   All the math is so simple.   Subtracting 20 is instant.  And so is 1.  Adding 3 is instant as well.  For me it was pretty easy to remember 4 rows of 3 numbers including the blank cells. I know my checking account number and social security number so i just spent like 10 mins memorizing the square template.
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              Okay.
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I'm really getting into memory stuff Harry, so I'll be buying a memory book from you soon.  I think it will help me since I'd like to memorize multiple stacks ๐Ÿ˜‰. mnemonica, redford, aronson etc..   Lots of cool memory tricks.   One thing I'd like to do is memorize entire deck of cards color in like 30 seconds then discard them all into red or black piles.   I got up to 24 cards using binary, so that's a set of 6 numbers i need to memorize using 4 bits per number.  I need to memorize 13 numbers for the whole deck.  I think 6 or 7 numbers is the usual limit for short term memory with most people.
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   when I was running my classes, at the first of the 8-lesson course, I'd have a student - many times a 12-year old boy,  stand in front of the as people call3ed single digit numbers - I'd write them across the blackboard - aobout 254/25 digits. My student would call them off immediately from front to end, and then from end to front.  After that nobody asked for their $50 deposit back!
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Has anyone seen the Simplified Magic Square by Bert Allerton in Bert Allerton's The Close_Up Magician page 20.
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  I sure as shootin' don't want to "simplify" my version.
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Hi Harry,
I believe, in my opinion, that he titled it Simplified Magic Square because it is easy. In his explanation he describes the routine as a stage or platform trick using a blackboard. In the ending of his routine he has a different member of the audience each add a portion of the square that total to the target number then have them all announce it and the number is the same answer, unless someone did their math wrong.
Just one of many ways to perform the magic square.
The other not in your league Harry.
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Karl Fulves has another version of the Square in his book Self-Working Number Magic. His square allows for a number between 22 and 100 to be selected. Harry's presentation is a winner though, and just goes how important personality is in creating a strong routine.
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